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    Britains most senior Rabbi refers to an 'unholy alliance between radical Islam and the political left'. The political left is most assuredly the Labour Party under Corby and radical Islam is most assuredly present in the British Muslim community. The Islamo-left are a threat to life and community and that is why for me they and by association the Labour Party, rank high on the list of national concerns. Amazing that they have managed to displace the far fight as Jews greatest threat.

    http://europe.newsweek.com/jonathan-...-labour-442978
    Ne Obliviscaris, Sans Peur

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    Escape2Victory - The Indy [Independent] had an insightful article about the topic back on Fri 28 June 2013, in which it tackled the question 'Why is the Left so blinkered to Islamic extremism?' It opened the article thus, 'Imagine looking at a 3D image with those special red and blue glasses but closing one of your eyes. Some parts of the image would disappear if you closed your left eye and other parts would be missing if you closed your right eye.

    It goes on to reflect upon how most folks tend to see only that which they wish to see and feel comfortable and 'safe' with. It demonstrates how extremism in its multiple guises can feed off itself and the extremism in the opposing camp(s).

    In summary humanity is not very good at percieving the world in a rounded way, that biases and prejudices formed over time constantly erode at overall vision.

    I could add to this that a fulsome and in-depth study of Islam's historic tactics against the kufr/kaffir and the dar al-harb, including some very slippery use of propaganda might assist in some understanding of how folks get sucker punched to the brain. The Muslim Brotherhood is brilliant at what it does - it portays itself to many as a force of moderation while in reality being nothing of the sort. It is in effect a fifth column par excellence that has honed its tactics over the years, and will use all means and especially politics and the media to advance the agenda of an expanding dar al-Islam and Sharia juris prudence.

    Even Ken Livingston when he was the Mayor of London, and doubtless having some 'Muslim Brotherehood' advisors on his team, got suckered into inviting into the country an Islamic cleric he felt would promote the humanitarian and moderate face of the 'religion'. It wasn't long after the cleric set his feet on British turf that Ken got a very severe awakening as to the true nature and agenda of this cleric. A case of red faces amongst Ken's Lefty crowd, and some high speed spin and damage control of the situation enfolded.
    Last edited by Wooden Wonder; 05 Apr 16, 02:55.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Wooden Wonder View Post
      Escape2Victory - The Indy [Independent] had an insightful article about the topic back on Fri 28 June 2013, in which it tackled the question 'Why is the Left so blinkered to Islamic extremism?' It opened the article thus, 'Imagine looking at a 3D image with those special red and blue glasses but closing one of your eyes. Some parts of the image would disappear if you closed your left eye and other parts would be missing if you closed your right eye.

      It goes on to reflect upon how most folks tend to see only that which they wish to see and feel comfortable and 'safe' with. It demonstrates how extremism in its multiple guises can feed off itself and the extremism in the opposing camp(s).

      In summary humanity is not very good at percieving the world in a rounded way, that biases and prejudices formed over time constantly erode at overall vision.

      I could add to this that a fulsome and in-depth study of Islam's historic tactics against the kufr/kaffir and the dar al-harb, including some very slippery use of propaganda might assist in some understanding of how folks get sucker punched to the brain. The Muslim Brotherhood is brilliant at what it does - it portays itself to many as a force of moderation while in reality being nothing of the sort. It is in effect a fifth column par excellence that has honed its tactics over the years, and will use all means and especially politics and the media to advance the agenda of an expanding dar al-Islam and Sharia juris prudence.

      Even Ken Livingston when he was the Mayor of London, and doubtless having some 'Muslim Brotherehood' advisors on his team, got suckered into inviting into the country an Islamic cleric he felt would promote the humanitarian and moderate face of the 'religion'. It wasn't long after the cleric set his feet on British turf that Ken got a very severe awakening as to the true nature and agenda of this cleric. A case of red faces amongst Ken's Lefty crowd, and some high speed spin and damage control of the situation enfolded.
      Such hypocracy though. For years the left have sat on the moral high ground calling everyone else a racist and acting as the guardians of all that is good and righteous. All the while they were harbouring their own racism, which is only now receiving high profile media attention, and nurturing the racism within radical Islam.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Escape2Victory View Post
        Such hypocracy though. For years the left have sat on the moral high ground calling everyone else a racist and acting as the guardians of all that is good and righteous. All the while they were harbouring their own racism, which is only now receiving high profile media attention, and nurturing the racism within radical Islam.
        I agree but then again hypocrisy is never in short supply and seldom confined to any one political or ideological view. I'm not saying it is evenly distributed but it's everywhere.
        "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
        validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
        "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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        • #5
          Jews have been filtering out of Europe for a while. Sadly, I don't think many people will actually truly miss their departure, whether it's due to the antisemitism of Eastern Europe or the rabid Islamic terrorism plaguing Western Europe.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
            Jews have been filtering out of Europe for a while. Sadly, I don't think many people will actually truly miss their departure, whether it's due to the antisemitism of Eastern Europe or the rabid Islamic terrorism plaguing Western Europe.
            As things stand I would have to say this is true. The Islamo-left have brilliantly manipulated a media that was in any case largely sympathetic to their cause, positioning themselves as the misunderstood victim while doing the actual killing. Jews are not helped by the fact they are a small voter base, far outnumbered by Muslims after the mass migration of the last decades. It is for Christians to stand up and fight the Jews corner, or perhaps suffer the same fate themselves in some far future where demographics makes them a minority group in Europe.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Escape2Victory View Post
              As things stand I would have to say this is true. The Islamo-left have brilliantly manipulated a media that was in any case largely sympathetic to their cause, positioning themselves as the misunderstood victim while doing the actual killing. Jews are not helped by the fact they are a small voter base, far outnumbered by Muslims after the mass migration of the last decades. It is for Christians to stand up and fight the Jews corner, or perhaps suffer the same fate themselves in some far future where demographics makes them a minority group in Europe.
              When someone write something about "Islamo-left" it's a sign that Islamists are winning.

              Is left culprit of blindness towards islamist seen as moderate ? Certainly. Do some at the left, especially far left, continue to support erroneous views about them ? Definitively.

              But there is nothing like "Islamo-left", by doing so it is a matter of demonstrating an equivalent blindness to Islamist greatest fear/weakness : that they don't represent the unique way for Islam. And West will not suceed in this idoelogic war if it fail to show that Muslisms have another option to live their faith.

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              • #8
                I think the Left's support for Islam is more to do with their hatred for the West than anything else. In the Left's logic the West is evil. Radical Islam hates the West therefore Radical Islam is good and to be supported.
                "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Metryll View Post
                  When someone write something about "Islamo-left" it's a sign that Islamists are winning.

                  Is left culprit of blindness towards islamist seen as moderate ? Certainly. Do some at the left, especially far left, continue to support erroneous views about them ? Definitively.

                  But there is nothing like "Islamo-left", by doing so it is a matter of demonstrating an equivalent blindness to Islamist greatest fear/weakness : that they don't represent the unique way for Islam. And West will not suceed in this idoelogic war if it fail to show that Muslisms have another option to live their faith.
                  A Jewish Rabbi used the term 'an unholy alliance of the political left and radical Islam' because he fears for his people. The Islamo-left are the violent agitators, not the victims. We can tell this because radical Islam kills Jews in Europe, not the other way around. The political left give radical Islam a political platform and practical support, organising rallies and integrating them into the Labour movement, including the likely Mayor of London, Saddiq Khan.

                  Painting Islam as the victim is a classic Islamo-left media move.

                  The onus is on European Muslims to distance themselves from the radicals because they are the ones doing the killing. They are failing, or rather not really trying. The onus is the Labour Party to root out the rabid racists in its politicians and membership and it too is failing, not trying.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Escape2Victory View Post
                    A Jewish Rabbi used the term 'an unholy alliance of the political left and radical Islam' because he fears for his people. The Islamo-left are the violent agitators, not the victims. We can tell this because radical Islam kills Jews in Europe, not the other way around. The political left give radical Islam a political platform and practical support, organising rallies and integrating them into the Labour movement, including the likely Mayor of London, Saddiq Khan.

                    Painting Islam as the victim is a classic Islamo-left media move.

                    The onus is on European Muslims to distance themselves from the radicals because they are the ones doing the killing. They are failing, or rather not really trying. The onus is the Labour Party to root out the rabid racists in its politicians and membership and it too is failing, not trying.
                    "A Jewish Rabbi" A rabbi, not all jews. No one know about his political leaning and in why he argue that something like "Islamo-left" actually exist. As said previously left is often not correct in the way it handle Islamism (eventhough perception seem to evolve at least in France), but arguing about "Islamo-left" is talking from a single unique actor wich does not exist.

                    This is why I argue that such misnomer actually support rather than effectively fight Islamism as it paint, as you seem to do, all Muslim with a single large brush.

                    This is exactly what Islamists seek for : a black and white simplistically answer that will match their own simplistically black and white ideology : either one support a radical view of Islam or one is against Islam as a whole.

                    Empty slogans, while nice at first look, are sure ways to lose an ideologic war.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Surrey View Post
                      I think the Left's support for Islam is more to do with their hatred for the West than anything else. In the Left's logic the West is evil. Radical Islam hates the West therefore Radical Islam is good and to be supported.
                      Exactly so. Anything African or Asian is inherently superior to white western culture, which must be punished for the slave trade (although Islam ran by far the largest slave trade) and colonialism (though multiple cultures did the same thing in their time of dominance). As such, they represent a threat to the national security of the rest of us who don't buy their ideology.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Metryll View Post
                        "A Jewish Rabbi" A rabbi, not all jews. No one know about his political leaning and in why he argue that something like "Islamo-left" actually exist. As said previously left is often not correct in the way it handle Islamism (eventhough perception seem to evolve at least in France), but arguing about "Islamo-left" is talking from a single unique actor wich does not exist.

                        This is why I argue that such misnomer actually support rather than effectively fight Islamism as it paint, as you seem to do, all Muslim with a single large brush.

                        This is exactly what Islamists seek for : a black and white simplistically answer that will match their own simplistically black and white ideology : either one support a radical view of Islam or one is against Islam as a whole.

                        Empty slogans, while nice at first look, are sure ways to lose an ideologic war.
                        Not just A rabbi, but until recently the UK's most senior one and therefore better able to speak for the Jewish community than your good self.
                        Ne Obliviscaris, Sans Peur

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                        • #13
                          A Jewish MP has been targeted for racist abuse by Labour activists. These are not isolated incidents and I can't help thinking if right wing activists were persistently targeting Muslims, the BBC would freak out and it would be headline news.

                          http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/15...campaign-abuse
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Escape2Victory View Post
                            Not just A rabbi, but until recently the UK's most senior one and therefore better able to speak for the Jewish community than your good self.
                            "..Dernièrement, les représentants du Conseil français du culte musulman (CFCM) ont édicté une Charte du citoyen musulman réaffirmant leur attachement à la laïcité française et distinguant clairement les actes terroristes de l’islam. Cette déclaration va dans le bon sens et c’est encourageant."

                            Haïm Korsia, grand rabbin de France.

                            http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/socie...im-korsia.html

                            Still claiming that your source is the only one giving Jews opinion ?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Metryll View Post
                              "..Dernièrement, les représentants du Conseil français du culte musulman (CFCM) ont édicté une Charte du citoyen musulman réaffirmant leur attachement à la laïcité française et distinguant clairement les actes terroristes de l’islam. Cette déclaration va dans le bon sens et c’est encourageant."

                              Haïm Korsia, grand rabbin de France.

                              http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/socie...im-korsia.html

                              Still claiming that your source is the only one giving Jews opinion ?
                              Still creating false arguments to make your point?
                              Ne Obliviscaris, Sans Peur

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