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    Really France?
    Hollande finally caved in on Thursday after realizing he would not have enough support from within his own Socialist party to push through the constitutional reform.

    While his plan to enshrine emergency powers in the constitution, like those brought in after the Paris terror attacks, received enough cross-party support, the move to strip convicted terrorists of the French passports was divisive.

    "A compromise appears out of reach," Hollande said after the two houses of parliament failed to agree on the reforms that the president tabled just days after 130 people were killed by terrorists, some of whom had dual French nationality.

    "I also note that a section of the opposition is hostile to any constitutional revision. I deeply regret this attitude," he said.

    Hollande pledged that despite dropping the reform plans, he would not "deviate from the commitments I have taken... to ensure the security of our country.

    "The threat remains higher than ever," said Hollande.

    http://www.thelocal.fr/20160330/holl...ch-nationality
    Last edited by Urban hermit; 30 Mar 16, 22:47.
    Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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    The problem was that stripping people of their citizenship was not doable if they became stateless. That, and it does sht do prevent terrorist attacks, as useless symbol politics go, this is a pretty good example.
    Reaction to the 2016 Munich shootings:
    Europe: "We are shocked and support you in these harsh times, we stand by you."
    USA: "We will check people from Germany extra-hard and it is your own damn fault for being so stupid."

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    • #3
      Loss of French citizenship..
      The terrorists all around the world are terrorized !!
      That rug really tied the room together

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      • #4
        It was a pointless jester that had some big legal ramifications
        you think you a real "bleep" solders you "bleep" plastic solders don't wory i will make you in to real "bleep" solders!! "bleep" plastic solders

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        • #5
          It's sounds like a great idea, because IMO there is no punishment harsh enough for those who commit acts of terrorism and treachery. That said, it would have presented a legal nightmare with questionable ramifications.

          I am happy about one thing....the proposal -when first presented- enraged Christiane Taubira so much that she resigned. That agitator/"activist" woman's politics is on the Left side of the moon and she should have never gotten so near a government office. How on Earth she received the Grand-croix, Légion d'honneur is beyond me, though it seems these days the decoration is being given away almost freely...comme des bon-bons..... almost faster than an emptying carton of Gauloises being passed around a group of struggling "artists".
          You'll live, only the best get killed.

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          • #6
            If someone declared themselves as a jihadist, why the heck would you not kick thier butts out?
            Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
              If someone declared themselves as a jihadist, why the heck would you not kick thier butts out?
              Would seem to depend on what you actually want to accomplish by such a move.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
                Would seem to depend on what you actually want to accomplish by such a move.
                Indeed if some one was openly inciting violence and thus breaking the law far better to lock them safely away if you can. Knee jerk reactions inevitably show a failure to think intelligently about a problem before acting
                Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                  Indeed if some one was openly inciting violence and thus breaking the law far better to lock them safely away if you can. Knee jerk reactions inevitably show a failure to think intelligently about a problem before acting
                  I sure the heck would not be extending citizenship to immigrants or refugees who are self declared or acknowledged jihadist!
                  Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sebfrench76 View Post
                    Loss of French citizenship..
                    The terrorists all around the world are terrorized !!
                    It is devastating to the terrorists. You may not be aware of this, but your Halal Boiled Beef Tongue recipe went viral on [email protected]/72virgins
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Acheron View Post
                      The problem was that stripping people of their citizenship was not doable if they became stateless. That, and it does sht do prevent terrorist attacks, as useless symbol politics go, this is a pretty good example.
                      That was not my reading of the situation. No nation is proposing to leave people Stateless. The target of the legislation was those with dual nationality, such that they could be stripped of French citizenship but left with Algerian citizenship or whatever. The complaint was that this discriminated against a particular group, I.e those with dual nationality. To my mind this is a spurious argument and once again Human Rights of the jihadi are being placed before the safety of everyone else.
                      Ne Obliviscaris, Sans Peur

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Escape2Victory View Post
                        That was not my reading of the situation. No nation is proposing to leave people Stateless. The target of the legislation was those with dual nationality, such that they could be stripped of French citizenship but left with Algerian citizenship or whatever. The complaint was that this discriminated against a particular group, I.e those with dual nationality. To my mind this is a spurious argument and once again Human Rights of the jihadi are being placed before the safety of everyone else.
                        No you either accord everyone human rights or none - its not al a carte. If you can prove they committed a crime - lock em up and loose the key.
                        Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                        Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                          I sure the heck would not be extending citizenship to immigrants or refugees who are self declared or acknowledged jihadist!
                          They aren't. Your link pertains to those who are already French citizens.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                            No you either accord everyone human rights or none - its not al a carte. If you can prove they committed a crime - lock em up and loose the key.
                            That is the current Liberal line of thinking. We shall have to see how long it survives contact with radical Islam.
                            Ne Obliviscaris, Sans Peur

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Escape2Victory View Post
                              That is the current Liberal line of thinking. We shall have to see how long it survives contact with radical Islam.
                              Liberal? I think it is enshrined in most western countries constitutions and laws. Once this changes well then the terrorists have won and have spread terror and fear successfully.

                              Human rights apply to all humans, once you start selecting who applies and who does not you end up gassing people.
                              you think you a real "bleep" solders you "bleep" plastic solders don't wory i will make you in to real "bleep" solders!! "bleep" plastic solders

                              CPO Mzinyati

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