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  • Belgium Fears Nuclear Plants Are Vulnerable

    It is time to get serious people.

    BRUSSELS — As a dragnet aimed at Islamic State operatives spiraled across Brussels and into at least five European countries on Friday, the authorities were also focusing on a narrower but increasingly alarming threat: the vulnerability of Belgium’s nuclear power plants.

    The investigation into this week’s deadly terror attacks in Brussels has raised fresh alarm that the Islamic State was seeking to attack, infiltrate, sabotage or obtain nuclear or radioactive material in a country with an already troubled history of security lapses at its nuclear facilities, a weak intelligence apparatus, and a deeply rooted terrorist network.



    On Friday, the authorities stripped security badges from several workers at one of two plants where all nonessential employees were sent home hours after the attacks at the Brussels airport and one of the city’s busiest subway stations three days before. Surveillance footage of a top official at another Belgian nuclear facility was discovered last year in the apartment of a suspected militant linked to the suicide bombers who unleashed the horror here in Brussels, as well as those who carried out the massacre that killed 130 people in Paris in November.

    Asked on Thursday at a London think tank whether there was a danger of the Islamic State’s obtaining a nuclear weapon, the British defense secretary, Michael Fallon, said that “was a new and emerging threat.”

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/...pTo?li=BBnb7Kz
    Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

  • #2
    Just to allay the worst of your fears...

    The worst that can happen is a Fukushima or Three Mile Island. Those can be handled and nobody dies. It isn't as if Belgium uses graphite moderated fast fission reactors with inferior containments like Chernobyl. While such a terrorist action would be serious it also underscores the hysteria that surrounds anything nuclear in the West.

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    • #3
      In Charleroi a nuclear guard has been killed and his badge stolen .

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      • #4
        The worst that can happen is Fukushima? Hysteria? Man are you serious???
        Please get a map and look whats East of Fukushima. And read what happened there/is still happening. The things are still melting/creating energy and its not under control. I mean the German way of contol. Not Tepco BS control. They plan to debuild the **** in the next 50 years. Such an 'incident' would dwarf 9/11 big time and make stripes of land inhabitable for millenias

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        One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic.

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        • #5
          From what I heard they were after nuclear material for a dirty bomb.
          Ne Obliviscaris, Sans Peur

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          • #6
            This would be a disaster!
            Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Hanov View Post
              The worst that can happen is Fukushima? Hysteria? Man are you serious???
              Please get a map and look whats East of Fukushima. And read what happened there/is still happening. The things are still melting/creating energy and its not under control. I mean the German way of contol. Not Tepco BS control. They plan to debuild the **** in the next 50 years. Such an 'incident' would dwarf 9/11 big time and make stripes of land inhabitable for millenias

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              What? The evacuation area has shrunk dramatically and many people are now being allowed to return home. The levels of radioactives released were only marginally above background and the evacuation was done out of caution not the real expectation that thousands would die from exposure as at Chernobyl.

              The three damaged reactors are now being cleaned up and they are not "...still melting..." As for creating energy, the only energy released now is decay products from the radioactive elements inside the reactors. These are easily controlled.

              Fear and ignorance of nuclear power are the biggest road blocks to its safe use. The same goes with a terrorist threat.

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              • #8
                The reactors are cleaned up? Afaik They still haven't recovered all the fuel rods. They cannot get in there due to high radiation. They still Have to cool the area and try to keep the cooling water out of the sea. The thousands of tons of contaminated water is kept in provisorical tanks. And the only reason why so few died is because it all went over and into the Pacific. That is what i read about it. Fukushima at the Rhein would Have had a different impact.

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                One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hanov View Post
                  The worst that can happen is Fukushima? Hysteria? Man are you serious???
                  Please get a map and look whats East of Fukushima. And read what happened there/is still happening. The things are still melting/creating energy and its not under control. I mean the German way of contol. Not Tepco BS control. They plan to debuild the **** in the next 50 years. Such an 'incident' would dwarf 9/11 big time and make stripes of land inhabitable for millenias

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                  But the damage would be offset by the superpowers you acquire.

                  Also the military applications of the mutated creatures created by the incident. Germany could deploy Skaven troops, keeping Human losses low in future wars.
                  Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                    Just to allay the worst of your fears...

                    The worst that can happen is a Fukushima or Three Mile Island. Those can be handled and nobody dies. It isn't as if Belgium uses graphite moderated fast fission reactors with inferior containments like Chernobyl. While such a terrorist action would be serious it also underscores the hysteria that surrounds anything nuclear in the West.
                    Fukushima was pretty bad. As far as I remember, they even thought about evacuating Tokyo early in the crisis. They were also lucky, the plume went eastwards over the Pacific, and they had the ocean close to the plant so they simply started pouring huge amounts of sea water to cool the meltdowns.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Imperial View Post
                      Fukushima was pretty bad. As far as I remember, they even thought about evacuating Tokyo early in the crisis. They were also lucky, the plume went eastwards over the Pacific, and they had the ocean close to the plant so they simply started pouring huge amounts of sea water to cool the meltdowns.
                      Fukushima is still pretty bad, it's just not the story of the day anymore.
                      In our crisis driven news cycle a few months is all a news story will be covered.
                      Here is the latest as of a few days ago.
                      http://fukushimaupdate.com
                      Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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                      • #12
                        If this happened in Belgium or France....lets pray it doesn't,
                        FUKUSHIMA 5 YEARS LATER: “THE FUEL RODS MELTED THROUGH CONTAINMENT AND NOBODY KNOWS WHERE THEY ARE NOW”

                        Today (March 11, 2016), Japan marks the fifth anniversary of the tragic and catastrophic meltdown of the Fukushima nuclear plant. On March 11, 2011, a massive earthquake and tsunami hit the northeast coast of Japan, killing 20,000 people. Another 160,000 then fled the radiation in Fukushima. It was the world’s worst nuclear disaster since Chernobyl, and according to some it would be far worse, if the Japanese government did not cover up the true severity of the devastation.

                        At least 100,000 people from the region have not yet returned to their homes. A full cleanup of the site is expected to take at least 40 years. Representative of the families of the victims spoke during Friday’s memorial ceremony in Tokyo. This is what Kuniyuki Sakuma, a former resident of Fukushima Province said:

                        For those who remain, we are seized with anxieties and uncertainties that are beyond words. We spend life away from our homes. Families are divided and scattered. As our experiences continue into another year, we wonder: ‘When will we be able to return to our homes? Will a day come when our families are united again?’

                        There are many problems in areas affected by the disaster, such as high radiation levels in parts of Fukushima Prefecture that need to be overcome. Even so, as a representative of the families that survived the disaster, I make a vow once more to the souls and spirits of the victims of the great disaster; I vow that we will make the utmost efforts to continue to promote the recovery and reconstruction of our hometowns.
                        http://fukushimaupdate.com/fukushima...-they-are-now/
                        Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                          If this happened in Belgium or France....lets pray it doesn't,
                          FUKUSHIMA 5 YEARS LATER: “THE FUEL RODS MELTED THROUGH CONTAINMENT AND NOBODY KNOWS WHERE THEY ARE NOW”

                          Today (March 11, 2016), Japan marks the fifth anniversary of the tragic and catastrophic meltdown of the Fukushima nuclear plant. On March 11, 2011, a massive earthquake and tsunami hit the northeast coast of Japan, killing 20,000 people. Another 160,000 then fled the radiation in Fukushima. It was the world’s worst nuclear disaster since Chernobyl, and according to some it would be far worse, if the Japanese government did not cover up the true severity of the devastation.

                          At least 100,000 people from the region have not yet returned to their homes. A full cleanup of the site is expected to take at least 40 years. Representative of the families of the victims spoke during Friday’s memorial ceremony in Tokyo. This is what Kuniyuki Sakuma, a former resident of Fukushima Province said:

                          For those who remain, we are seized with anxieties and uncertainties that are beyond words. We spend life away from our homes. Families are divided and scattered. As our experiences continue into another year, we wonder: ‘When will we be able to return to our homes? Will a day come when our families are united again?’

                          There are many problems in areas affected by the disaster, such as high radiation levels in parts of Fukushima Prefecture that need to be overcome. Even so, as a representative of the families that survived the disaster, I make a vow once more to the souls and spirits of the victims of the great disaster; I vow that we will make the utmost efforts to continue to promote the recovery and reconstruction of our hometowns.
                          http://fukushimaupdate.com/fukushima...-they-are-now/
                          Too bad your source comes from the website Zero Hedge and an article written under a pseudonym "Tyler Durden." It is unsourced, and there's no way to verify any of it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                            Too bad your source comes from the website Zero Hedge and an article written under a pseudonym "Tyler Durden." It is unsourced, and there's no way to verify any of it.
                            It is difficult to find any news from recognized news agencies from 2016. Seems like there is either no interest or the press has been muzzled.
                            This is from 2015
                            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-impact-today/
                            Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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                            • #15
                              OK. Here is what i know. As i'm writing i am searching the net for sources. I don't want to bring in in wortless stuff from Facebook links or what ever.
                              AFAIK there are no (official) deaths that may be linked to radiation. The 20,000 died in the Tsunami, not due to the reactor meltdown. But it is true - they cannot get to the melted rods. They are 'somewhere' in the ruins of the plants and only robots may go in there because a man would die very quickly. And they still have to be cooled and due to their state of being melted they polute the cooling water - and that is/will be a problem. This water is stored in huge Tanks around the facility. It is getiing more and more every day and the have no plan where to put it. Eventually it will end up in the Pacific as well. At least this is my guess.
                              All what i am writing is from Spiegel Online http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/t...a-1081902.html or FAZ http://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellsch...-14117018.html
                              Both are serious German Media sources.
                              The film for example. The Tepco spokesman himself says that they haven't managed more than one tenth in climbing the mountain of cleaning the mess up. And he is trying to make Tepco look as good as possible, i guess.

                              The thing i am extracting from all the news in the last years is that the meltdown was as bad or even worse than Chernobyl radiation wise. The Japs were just unbelievably lucky that the worst fallout of highly deadly contaminated water went strait into the Pacific or was blown over it. In the decisive days during and after the Tsunami/the melting of the rods the weather/wind was constantly blowing from the west. A northern wind would have meant the end of Tokyo as we know it today. The only reson why we don't have dead people all over is due to sheer luck weather wise and the fact that this part of Japan is not densely populated. The just had to evacuate some 160,000. You speaking of the Jap Gov to return these people. Yeah that is what they want - but no one wants to return. They say that some areas are safe, but hell yeah, they tell you a lot of ****, do they?

                              OK, here some facts from the articles - this is official Tepco facts, keep that in mind.
                              - 8,000 workers are constantly at work.
                              - The cleaning up is planned to be done in 40 or 50 years.
                              - they dont know where the melted rods are - somewhere in there...
                              - thyroid cancer rate is 30x/50x higher in Fukushima region than the rest of Japan
                              - radiation in the canals under the plant is 4000x higher 'than anticipated' by Tepco.

                              The sheer vastness of the Pacific saved the Japanese' asses and made this meltdown looking small. Maybe god thought they had their nuclear share for a while. Let this happen at the Hudson river or the Rhine. This would be a completely different situation.
                              Last edited by Salinator; 27 Mar 16, 19:43.
                              One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic.

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