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    Hi

    A very interesting, insightful and maybe disturbing article here:

    The main victor was the Danish People’s Party, a populist, openly anti-immigration party, which drew 21 percent of the vote, its best performance ever. Its founder, Pia Kjærsgaard, for years known for suggesting that Muslims “are at a lower stage of civilization,” is now speaker of the Danish parliament
    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2016...harsh-denmark/

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    Andy H
    "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." Churchill

    "I'm no reactionary.Christ on the Mountain! I'm as idealistic as Hell" Eisenhower

  • #2
    Originally posted by Andy H View Post
    Hi

    A very interesting, insightful and maybe disturbing article here:


    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2016...harsh-denmark/

    Regards

    Andy H
    My friends in the Netherlands are very bitter about increased crime rates. Their attitudes on drugs, sex and socialism may be much more liberal than their U.S. counter parts but in private their attitude toward race has taken a right turn.
    We hunt the hunters

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    • #3
      It is why it is better for everyone to keep Muslim world immigration high skill and low numbers. Instead Europe is going for high numbers, low skill and little or no filters on who is coming in.

      It is bound to breed resentment. The political mainstream is dancing around the issue and there is a void that psychopaths are going to fill.
      Ne Obliviscaris, Sans Peur

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      • #4
        That's what they said about the Jews... Literally.

        For all the reasonable observations of how no perfect analogies exist — that WAS what people said about the Jews in the 1930's. "Make them not come here! We'll get antisemitism!" "Why don't the Germans stamp a big "J" in their passports, so we'll know how to spot and avoid them?" Variations of... Etc.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
          That's what they said about the Jews... Literally.

          For all the reasonable observations of how no perfect analogies exist — that WAS what people said about the Jews in the 1930's. "Make them not come here! We'll get antisemitism!" "Why don't the Germans stamp a big "J" in their passports, so we'll know how to spot and avoid them?" Variations of... Etc.
          That would be a good analogy if it were not for the fact that it is almost opposite from the true social economic perspective. Jews were not hated because they were petty criminals but because they were successful and had skills.
          We hunt the hunters

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          • #6
            Like the Gipsys who are chicken thieves .
            Roms are pickpockets now that we talk about it.
            Frenchies are lazy ,but the Rosbeefs have rotten teeth.
            Germans are boring .Swedish women are blonde.
            That rug really tied the room together

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            • #7
              Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
              That would be a good analogy if it were not for the fact that it is almost opposite from the true social economic perspective. Jews were not hated because they were petty criminals but because they were successful and had skills.
              Not the eastern Jews of the 1930's, widely regarded as uneducated, primitive, "skill-less" if you like. It's still a sore point within some Jewish communities in western Europe how in the 1930's they also felt that these people should not be let in, lest they ruin everything for the Jews already established.

              But that clearly doesn't matter, since there you seem to be approaching this from, there is simpky no interest in discerning anything about the actual Jews or Muslims or how integration might or might not work.

              Nuance or even reason isn't desirable here.

              It's evident in that article too. What the Danes also fear is "becoming like Sweden". We'll see. They aren't right now at least. Question might be asked if Sweden might be becoming "more like Denmark"? But then what kind of bogeyman does that make? Somepeople need to make up their minds.

              Even for the current refugee situation, it's a mixed bag. 37% of Syrians so far have university degrees (bit higher than the native Swedes even, but then most imigrant groups are — not the Afghanis mind, they're a sorry lot, education-wise).
              Last edited by Johan Banér; 26 Feb 16, 02:41.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                That would be a good analogy if it were not for the fact that it is almost opposite from the true social economic perspective. Jews were not hated because they were petty criminals but because they were successful and had skills.
                Exactly . This analogy is a poor one and is used as a shaming tactic to shut people up. Look much of Europe are once again just a bunch of Nazis because people are heaven forbid concerned about the societies they've always known fundamentally changing.
                Last edited by copenhagen; 26 Feb 16, 03:30.

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                • #9
                  Also The Jews didn't want to change our ways. Did not have a goal of converting the world to the Jewish faith by any means, did not go about slaughtering there own and others in the host countries that they settled in.

                  Wakey-wakey! All you islamo-apologist's, before you know it, it'll be your children and/or grandchildren who will suffer the new Islamic onslaught with the roots of it going all the way back to the Liberal lefty, PC drunk, do-good socialist elite politicians and law lords. All of them educated under the socialist education system that has prevailed in most of the western countries since the early 1960's

                  Paul
                  ‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
                  All human ills he can subdue,
                  Or with a bauble or medal
                  Can win mans heart for you;
                  And many a blessing know to stew
                  To make a megloamaniac bright;
                  Give honour to the dainty Corse,
                  The Pixie is a little shite.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dibble201Bty View Post
                    Also The Jews didn't want to change our ways. Did not have a goal of converting the world to the Jewish faith by any means, did not go about slaughtering there own and others in the host countries that they settled in.

                    Wakey-wakey! All you islamo-apologist's, before you know it, it'll be your children and/or grandchildren who will suffer the new Islamic onslaught with the roots of it going all the way back to the Liberal lefty, PC drunk, do-good socialist elite politicians and law lords. All of them educated under the socialist education system that has prevailed in most of the western countries since the early 1960's

                    Paul
                    I suspect the comparison is not actually between the Jews in the 30s and the current refugee's, but in the method and rhetoric.

                    Once you start considering forcibly moving large groups of unwanted people(and here the comparison does fit), refusing access, etc. you have limited options available.

                    For now deportation is done in extremely polite fashion, they are asked to leave, escorted to the border, even bribed ...

                    but for how much longer I wonder, even in my lifetime the mood has changed considerably - another few decades of this and we may indeed see a return of scenes most would have considered a thing of the past.
                    Lambert of Montaigu - Crusader.

                    Bolgios - Mercenary Game.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
                      I suspect the comparison is not actually between the Jews in the 30s and the current refugee's, but in the method and rhetoric.

                      Once you start considering forcibly moving large groups of unwanted people(and here the comparison does fit), refusing access, etc. you have limited options available.

                      For now deportation is done in extremely polite fashion, they are asked to leave, escorted to the border, even bribed ...

                      but for how much longer I wonder, even in my lifetime the mood has changed considerably - another few decades of this and we may indeed see a return of scenes most would have considered a thing of the past.
                      Precisely and it's the liberal elite who will have done this by sneering at regular ordinary people's concerns by painting them as extremist racists. And it's their liberalism that will be turned on first.

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                      • #12
                        Well! As soon as the Muslims become a majority in a western country they will impose their laws. It wont be anything feeble where non believers are concerned, with; 'all non Muslims will pay greater tax'. It will be; 'convert or have your head cut off'.

                        The new dark age is coming and if we don't watch out, it will be pitch black.

                        Paul
                        ‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
                        All human ills he can subdue,
                        Or with a bauble or medal
                        Can win mans heart for you;
                        And many a blessing know to stew
                        To make a megloamaniac bright;
                        Give honour to the dainty Corse,
                        The Pixie is a little shite.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
                          Not the eastern Jews of the 1930's, widely regarded as uneducated, primitive, "skill-less" if you like. It's still a sore point within some Jewish communities in western Europe how in the 1930's they also felt that these people should not be let in, lest they ruin everything for the Jews already established.

                          But that clearly doesn't matter, since there you seem to be approaching this from, there is simpky no interest in discerning anything about the actual Jews or Muslims or how integration might or might not work.
                          Yeah the big difference between the Jews of the 1930s and the Muslims of today, is that the Jews never had their own country, Muslims do. Many of them.
                          Let the muslim migrants migrate to other muslim countries, only.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Gooner View Post
                            Yeah the big difference between the Jews of the 1930s and the Muslims of today, is that the Jews never had their own country, Muslims do. Many of them.
                            Let the muslim migrants migrate to other muslim countries, only.
                            Fair enough - but if they do come here, how do you get them out again without resorting to the methods I assume we'd all rather not resort to ?
                            Lambert of Montaigu - Crusader.

                            Bolgios - Mercenary Game.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
                              Fair enough - but if they do come here, how do you get them out again without resorting to the methods I assume we'd all rather not resort to ?
                              What do our police do now if someone resists arrest?
                              Last edited by copenhagen; 26 Feb 16, 04:37.

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