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  • How so ? Someone identifies himself as Prussian or Ukrainian he's Prussian or Ukrainian.

    Your opinion on the issue really does not matter.
    Absolutely wrong. You can call a cat a dog but the animal will remain a cat whatever you call him and whatever you want him to be.

    The same for the humans. The call themselves whatever they like but it will not change their real nature. As the Russia proverb says - you can take the girl from the village but never the village from the girl.

    You're not a history student are you

    Ever wondered why so many politicians down south have in fact Flemish names ?

    For an example of the "mixing" read about the union of the houses of Burgundy and Flanders for instance, and how it eventually culminated in the Habsburg empire.

    While your at it - note how Flanders and Burgundy are still around, while the Habsburg empire is long gone.
    A number of people is not a majority. Nor with going on the other side they brought their language and culture with them. In practical terms there was no mixing.
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    • Originally posted by Emtos View Post
      Absolutely wrong. You can call a cat a dog but the animal will remain a cat whatever you call him and whatever you want him to be.
      Please don't compare Prussians to cats and dogs.

      They have limited self-consciousness

      The same for the humans. The call themselves whatever they like but it will not change their real nature. As the Russia proverb says - you can take the girl from the village but never the village from the girl.
      In Russia that may be case yes,

      what's the entire village doing in the girl at any rate ? Barbarians...

      A number of people is not a majority. Nor with going on the other side they brought their language and culture with them. In practical terms there was no mixing.
      What are you on about ?

      French was the dominant language here from the 1700s onward to the early 20th century ?

      How do you mean they didn't bring the language with them ?
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      • Please don't compare Prussians to cats and dogs.

        They have limited self-consciousness
        Prussians or cats and dogs ?

        In Russia that may be case yes,
        It everywhere the case. In US they brought a cowboy to the White House and get the cowboy politics.

        What are you on about ?

        French was the dominant language here from the 1700s onward to the early 20th century ?

        How do you mean they didn't bring the language with them ?
        I mean that Wallonians and Flemish stayed separated until this day.
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        • Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
          LOL - you don't believe in Prussians but you do believe in Anglo-Saxons ?
          You've been saying so many ignorant things here I could never keep track of them, but this one takes the cake. Use Google, for goodness sake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_...xon_Protestant
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          • Well - if you insist -

            From your own link:

            ... People rarely call themselves WASPs, except humorously. The acronym is typically used by non-WASPs.[9]
            Like the newer term "WASP," the old term "Anglo-Saxon" was used derisively by writers hostile to an informal alliance between Britain and the U.S. The negative use was especially common among Irish Americans and writers in France.
            Historically, "Anglo-Saxon" referred to the Anglo Saxon language (today called "Old English") of the inhabitants of England and the Scottish lowlands before about 1150.
            "Anglo-Saxons" are a political invention, a derivation from a linguistic term - the communists got it from the French, the concept probably found its way into Russian and from there into Emtos.

            You can take the boy from Belorussia after all, but you can't take Belorussia from the boy

            The Prussians on the other hand are an actual people who self-identify as such :

            https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_bin_ein_Preu%C3%9Fe
            Last edited by Snowygerry; 19 Feb 16, 03:07.
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            • Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
              Well - if you insist -

              From your own link:

              ... People rarely call themselves WASPs, except humorously. The acronym is typically used by non-WASPs.[9]
              Yes, and yet it doesn't negate the fact that WASPs exist do exist as an ethnic and sociological phenomenon which has been described by a number of sociologists over the years.

              Same story with the N-word. This doesn't mean Black people don't exist and don't have a culture which makes them different from others.

              Like the newer term "WASP," the old term "Anglo-Saxon" was used derisively by writers hostile to an informal alliance between Britain and the U.S. The negative use was especially common among Irish Americans and writers in France.
              And what does it have to do with the current situation. The Berbers were originally "barbarians" in Greek, and what does it change now?

              Historically, "Anglo-Saxon" referred to the Anglo Saxon language (today called "Old English") of the inhabitants of England and the Scottish lowlands before about 1150.
              Yes, it's a historical reference. Okay. Now please explain what the etymology of a name has to do with an existing sociological phenomenon.

              Your statements are as dumb as saying "Gothic music doesn't exist because real Goths disappeared long ago". If a group of people chooses a name for themselves, or they get called by some name, what matters is the group of people, not the word chosen to designate them, and its historical etymology and connotations even less so.

              "Anglo-Saxons" are a political invention, a derivation from a linguistic term - the communists got it from the French, the concept probably found its way into Russian and from there into Emtos.
              Communists? This term was invented and used in America and used there first and foremost. I feel like talking to a broken computer program, really

              You can take the boy from Belorussia after all, but you can't take Belorussia from the boy
              Considering your level of debating as a representative of Belgians, it really helped him to live in Belarus for some time and not in Belgium.

              The Prussians on the other hand are an actual people who self-identify as such :

              https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_bin_ein_Preu%C3%9Fe
              And the word "Prussians" was actually taken by some German tribes from a Baltic/Slavic tribe which populated their lands earlier. Oopps! According to your own theory, "Prussians" are invented and they have never existed!
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              • Originally posted by ShAA View Post
                (... )If a group of people chooses a name for themselves...
                Is one thing...

                ...or they get called by some name,
                is something entirely different,

                you bloody Bolshevik

                Important thing to remember here is that my discussions with Emtos are a source of entertainment for us and most, while they are a source of frustration for you, you'd be well advised NOT to participate in them.

                Have a good week-end
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                • Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
                  Is one thing...



                  is something entirely different,
                  The Impressionists were called so in a derisive way, however, they soon started using this word as their name. The Yankees was also not a flattering name, but the Americans started using it. The Blacks were called the "N" word, and they still use it among themselves.

                  I'm sorry, you have no legs to stand on in this argument.

                  Important thing to remember here is that my discussions with Emtos are a source of entertainment for us and most, while they are a source of frustration for you, you'd be well advised NOT to participate in them.

                  Have a good week-end [/QUOTE]

                  I'm not participating in your discussion with Emtos, just refuting your BS.
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                  • Originally posted by ShAA View Post
                    The Impressionists were called so in a derisive way, however, they soon started using this word as their name. The Yankees was also not a flattering name, but the Americans started using it. The Blacks were called the "N" word, and they still use it among themselves.

                    I'm sorry, you have no legs to stand on in this argument.
                    Sure I have. My argument is simple.

                    Anglo-Saxons, Niggers, Yankees, etc. are descriptive and thus nominal terms.

                    Prussians and the other hand are an actual people, a real term.

                    Nominal terms in general need to be defined before they can be discussed, real terms do not.

                    For someone to claim in one post Prussians "don't exist anymore", and two posts down to start harping about the Anglo-Saxons - as Emtos did here - is contradictive and funny.
                    Last edited by Snowygerry; 22 Feb 16, 04:39.
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                    • Sorry to break the party. ��
                      But where is the link to "the NATO report" about Russians practicing nucklear strikes against Sweden?
                      Kind regards
                      Igor

                      * My grandfathers WW2 memoirs - Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Hungary, 1944-1945.
                      * On the question of "2 mil. rapes" by RKKA
                      * Verdicts of RKKA Military Tribunals for crimes against civilians in 1945

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                      • Originally posted by Egorka View Post
                        Sorry to break the party. ��
                        But where is the link to "the NATO report" about Russians practicing nucklear strikes against Sweden?
                        It's the general NATO report for the entire year 2015 ShAA posted and commented on.

                        It's not a report on that particular event btw, it just mentions it in one sentence, while it goes on in general about threats to NATO over the last year.

                        http://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl20...rt_2015_en.pdf

                        Unless I too missed a more specific report
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                        • Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
                          Sure I have. My argument is simple.

                          Anglo-Saxons, Niggers, Yankees, etc. are descriptive and thus nominal terms.

                          Prussians and the other hand are an actual people, a real term.
                          These terms are not simply descriptive, they are also self-descriptive, in case you haven't noticed.

                          Nominal terms in general need to be defined before they can be discussed, real terms do not.
                          In other words, you can use obfuscation and reduction ad absurdum when speaking about the terms which are pretty well-known and denote quite well-known groups of people if they are not formally "stamped and approved"

                          For someone to claim in one post Prussians "don't exist anymore",
                          Because the Prussians really do not exist any more. They've become dissolved in the German Volk just like many other minor sub-ethnicities have dissolved in bigger nations throughout the human history.

                          and two posts down to start harping about the Anglo-Saxons - as Emtos did here - is contradictive and funny.
                          Because the term Anglo-Saxons doesn't mean ancient Angles and ancient Saxons, quite obviously. It means what I've brought up in the description: "White people of mainly British heritage, but not absolutely all of them down to every single person, who are predominantly Protestant, but not absolutely all of them, and who can be called the country's elite by the criteria of their wealth, social status and education". In contrast with the Prussians, there's no group to call itself Prussians or which gets called Prussians by others in the modern days.

                          Your passage about ancient Angles and Saxons is absolutely irrelevant and is nothing but a red herring and deliberate obfuscation. This objection of yours is as idiotic as objecting to the use of the term "Apollo" for the American space program on the grounds that this term stood for a Greek god and not a spaceship. Any person using the term "WASP" absolutely and always means what I described above and no one in his sane mind ever thinks of ancient tribes - unless he, like you, wants to derail the discussion by useless rubbish talk.
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                          • Originally posted by ShAA View Post
                            "White people of mainly British heritage, but not absolutely all of them down to every single person, who are predominantly Protestant, but not absolutely all of them, and who can be called the country's elite by the criteria of their wealth, social status and education".
                            I'm sure that's a definition that will go down in history,

                            but not absolutely all of it

                            The most common use for "Anglo-Saxon" here btw is not to describe a demographic of US American society or an ancient mixture of tribes, but as an adjective to denote the combination of British Commonwealth + US America in a political or linguistic sense.

                            The Anglo-Saxon world/countries, the Anglo-Saxon media etc...

                            .. terms which are pretty well-known and denote quite well-known groups of people..
                            Pretty well known but with obviously different meanings - as follows quite clearly from the above.

                            ...unless he, like you, wants to derail the discussion by useless rubbish talk.
                            Any discussion with Emtos is for a considerable part "rubbish talk" - it doesn't matter since we both enjoy it and so do others apparently,

                            it's only you that cannot bear it - I suggest you go read something else
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                            • Any discussion with Emtos is for a considerable part "rubbish talk" - it doesn't matter since we both enjoy it and so do others apparently,
                              It becomes "rubbish talk" only if you're present.
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                              • So you *don't* enjoy our little talks ?

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