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  • Abortion is illegal in Ireland!

    Okay...so abortion is illegal, but when the mother's life is at stake I don't understand why the pregnancy was not terminated. The religious excuse is not taking responsibility for a fatal decision. We call this medical malpractice in America.



    A 31-year-old Indian woman died in Ireland from blood poisoning after doctors allegedly refused to perform an abortion stating "this is a Catholic country".

    Irish authorities have launched a probe into the death of Savita Halappanavar, a dentist, who was 17 weeks pregnant and suffering a miscarriage and septicaemia at University Hospital Galway last month, The Irish Times reported today.

    http://www.deccanherald.com/content/...g-refused.html
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    "this is a Catholic country"

    There's your answer.

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    • #3
      Abortion is technically illegal in the UK, except for certain circumstances - most doctors use the argument that carrying the child to term will adversely affect the mother's health.

      For decades, it was common for Irish women to, 'Take the boat,' to the UK specifically for this purpose.
      Indyref2 - still, "Yes."

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Rojik View Post
        "this is a Catholic country"

        There's your answer.

        Ain't religion a wonderful thing?
        "Abortion is illegal in the Republic of Ireland."

        There's your answer.

        Ain't law a wonderful thing?

        Got nothing to do with religion except for sensationalism.

        Law is also illegal in countries that don't hold religion in such a high regard.......say like United Kingdom? If that woman indeed did would have lived if an abortion was performed, it comes down to stupid doctors unwilling to see the gray area.
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        • #5
          It is heavily rooted in religion. The Catholic church can still pull some punches in Ireland.
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          • #6
            Good for Ireland. Abortion should be banned in Romania too.

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            • #7
              You can carry out abortions in Ireland if the mothers life (but not health-- key point) is threatened.

              Medical staff are concerned that they will face legal action either by the authorities or 'Pro-Life' pressure groups if they undertake an abortion in the 'wrong' circumstances.

              Medical staff are operating in a 'grey' area as to what actually constitutes a threat to life or a threat to health.

              In the early 1990's the supreme court ruled that the situation was not acceptable and the government had to bring in more clear laws -- it didn't say what type just to clear up the issue one way or another.

              Nothing was done.

              Last year the European Court demanded that Ireland sort the law out, one way or another but again nothing was done, this case has just been waiting to happen. I believe some doctors have been taken to the medical council for malpractice for carrying out abortions in situations although all have been acquited but that might change and is still very stressful for them.

              Irish Governments (from almost all parties) were/are afraid to debate abortion, they are going to have to have one no and its going to be messy.
              Cymru am Byth

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Imperial View Post
                Good for Ireland. Abortion should be banned in Romania too.
                You're a man,aren't you,hu??
                This is to the women to decide this.
                That rug really tied the room together

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                • #9
                  Ireland does what Ireland must do. In this special case, someone f**ked up and they should be prosecuted.


                  Originally posted by sebfrench76 View Post
                  This is to the women to decide this.
                  Maybe it shouldn't be. It takes two people to make a very stupid decision. I say very stupid, because with all the access to cheap (or even in many cases free) contraception, there is no reason why a child should pay with it's life the action to stupid adults make.

                  Secondly...when the state will force all of society to pay for abortion, especially when many in that society feel that abortion is morally repugnant, I find it absolutely indefensible that I should have no voice.

                  Our glorious leader Holland and his band of merry Socialists have forced passage of a bill that requires everyone to pay into abortion providers...Obamacare in the US will do the same.

                  If a woman insists on ripping apart her unborn baby, then she should do it with her own f**king centime/dime. Then I will have no problem with a woman's so-called "choice".
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sebfrench76 View Post
                    You're a man,aren't you,hu??
                    This is to the women to decide this.
                    In theory yes it's for them to decide. But when it becomes a huge phenomenon that will affect society as a whole it should be for statesmen to decide, not women.

                    In my country there have been at least 10 million abortions since the 1989 revolution which liberalized abortions. Basically one or two generations of would-be-kids has been thrown to the garbage bin. This will have huge economic, social and ethnic consequences in the future (not all ethnic groups resort to abortions so the ethnic structure will change) and "it's the women's decision" becomes a redundant line.

                    On this issue I look up to countries like Poland, Ireland and so on and hope our politicians will stop being political prostitutes and become statesmen. Otherwise we'll abort ourselves into oblivion.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Imperial View Post
                      In my country there have been at least 10 million abortions since the 1989 revolution which liberalized abortions. Basically one or two generations of would-be-kids has been thrown to the garbage bin. This will have huge economic, social and ethnic consequences in the future (not all ethnic groups resort to abortions so the ethnic structure will change) and "it's the women's decision" becomes a redundant line.
                      This guy's griping about the generation that was lost. What about the generation that was had?









                      This is the classic pro-life argument in its starkest form:

                      "Keep the baby, keep the baby, keep the baby.

                      "What? The baby needs food?

                      "Fck you!"

                      Maybe if Roumania had a better track record looking after actually alive kids, then people might feel a little more confident about their society's ability to look after theoretical kids.
                      Last edited by slick_miester; 04 Jan 13, 17:48.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Persephone View Post
                        Okay...so abortion is illegal, but when the mother's life is at stake I don't understand why the pregnancy was not terminated. The religious excuse is not taking responsibility for a fatal decision. We call this medical malpractice in America.
                        Many women died giving birth etc... early in human history up till the 1950's. It's just nature when a women and baby died before the women gives birth. Abortions are not normal when the child is healthy. If they stop abortions, this will teach both men & women safe sex until both are ready to create a baby. I had abortion, the baby was totally healthy, and now I regret it...guilt. Wish there was no such thing as abortion. Hard lesson learned.

                        I know how abortions are done and it's quite sick. They actually get tongs and pull one bit of the baby out at a time. Should be stopped.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Salinator View Post
                          Law is also illegal in countries that don't hold religion in such a high regard.......say like United Kingdom?
                          I assume you mean abortion where you've said law.

                          Do you mean the same UK where the Head of State is the Supreme Governor of the Church of England and cannot be the Head of State if they profess a Catholic faith? That UK that doesn't hold religion in high regard?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
                            This guy's griping about the generation that was lost. What about the generation that was had?









                            This is the classic pro-life argument in its starkest form:

                            "Keep the baby, keep the baby, keep the baby.

                            "What? The baby needs food?

                            "Fck you!"

                            Maybe if Roumania had a better track record looking after actually alive kids, then people might feel a little more confident about their society's ability to look after theoretical kids.
                            The babies born after the communists banned abortions are our "baby-boomers". They number approximately 2 million, now aged 30-40, and represent some 30% of the workforce. They are an essential part of the economy and of the family networks that support the elderly. Society took care of them and they are now taking care of society.

                            The poor children whose pictures you posted are the unfortunate exception, are some of the orphan/abandoned children numbering into the several thousands:

                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_orphans

                            Besides, the communists went to an extreme form of banning abortions. They established a high threshold for abortions based on "economic considerations" (inability to take care of another child). A woman was allowed to abort a child out of "economic considerations" only if she already had 4 children.

                            I'm not saying this extreme form should be adopted. But the millions of abortions that took place in the last 2 decades represent the other extreme. And it's not good either.

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                            • #15
                              I haven’t posted here in quite some time but this debate is very evocative and extreme views are help on both sides.
                              The situation in Ireland is, as Kevinmeath pointed out, that abortions can be carried out if the life of the mother is in danger. The Master (top doctor) of one of the large maternity hospitals estimated that around 30 abortions are carried out each year in Ireland. There is no way a doctor will be sanctioned in these circumstances. For the record Ireland is one of the three safest countries in the world for a mother to give birth in.

                              I’m a atheist so my views are not colored by religion or dogma of any kind. I, like just about everyone else in Ireland, see no problem with the morning after pill and like just about everyone else in Ireland I am against late term abortions. Therefore at some stage the mother has the right to choose and at some stage she loses that right to choose. The issue is when.
                              Excluding the nut-case religious right and the “It’s a woman’s right to choose so only women should have a say” extremists the vast majority of people in Ireland fall into the middle ground of not being sure about what to feel on this morally and socially complex and very serious issue.

                              This is not a woman’s issue; half of all babies are male.
                              Very few people in Ireland would like to end up with a situation like you have in America where abortion is just another form of contraception but very few want to force a 14 year old girl who’s pregnant because she’s been abused by her father to carry that child to term.
                              Again, I really don’t understand how people can hold black and white views on this issue.
                              Last edited by E.D. Morel; 12 Jan 13, 15:43.
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