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  • Belfast city council vote to remove the Union flag

    Hi

    Well something that isn't and wasn't on anybodies list of important priorities, in these financial hard times is going to be nothing but a clarion call for trouble.

    A Protestant mob has stormed into the grounds of Belfast City Hall and clashed with police after the council's Catholic majority voted to remove the British flag from the building for most of the year.
    Authorities say two police officers and a security guard were wounded during Monday night's melee in the parking lot of the city hall.
    More than 1,000 Protestants had rallied in the street outside as council members inside voted 29-21 to remove the Union Jack from atop the building for all but 17 official holidays each year. The British flag has flown continuously from the city hall dome continuously for more than a century
    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12...#ixzz2E2PNaoRR



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    There is a discusion going on at the british army rumour service about what would happen if the troubles started off again and the overall view is if it did it would be finished quickly, all the main people are known and the whole ira could be wrapped up in a few months. They dont have the support they once had pre 9/11, no more foreign training camps and hopefully no more collecting for the cause in the usa.
    Add to that the fact that in a recent poll the majority of catholics said they wanted to stay a part of the uk

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    • #3
      The fact that Belfast now has a Catholic majority shows the changing demographic make up of Northern Ireland. Twenty years ago Belfast had a unionist majority. Catholics have a higher birth rate and more protestants leave the provence to live elsewhere.
      War is less costly than servitude

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      • #4
        The question is, why bother to change the status quo? to make a political statement to a certain demographic, not unknown for their passivity. The council must be a group of numb-skulls, this action was bound to flare up.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Kendrick View Post
          The fact that Belfast now has a Catholic majority shows the changing demographic make up of Northern Ireland. Twenty years ago Belfast had a unionist majority. Catholics have a higher birth rate and more protestants leave the provence to live elsewhere.
          The thing you have to remember though is that a slim majority of NI Catholics are actually pro-union.

          Just because one is Catholic does not mean they are automatically pro-unification.
          Just because one is Protestant does not mean they are automatically pro-union.

          www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20475919
          http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-16012932.html

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ChrisF1987 View Post
            The thing you have to remember though is that a slim majority of NI Catholics are actually pro-union.

            Just because one is Catholic does not mean they are automatically pro-unification.
            Just because one is Protestant does not mean they are automatically pro-union.

            www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20475919
            http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-16012932.html
            Yes, I agree at present even many catholics are concerned at the economic plight of Ireland. However the long term demographic trends are clear and in the past most catholics prefered union with Eire and may do so again in the future if Ireland present woes are cleared up (or perhaps more likely that the British find themselves with our growing debt in much the same place).
            War is less costly than servitude

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            • #7
              That's just a fake war on the flag.
              "A common thug can kill someone, but it takes the talents of an intelligence service to make a murder appear to be a suicide or accident death." -- James Angleton, CIA, Chief of Counterintelligence.

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              • #8
                The same thing almost happened in the Quebec Legislature. The PQ and fellow Separatist parties tried to ban the Maple Leaf from the premises but were out-voted by the opposition.

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                Still that didn't stop some protesters from trampling all over the Canadian flag in Montreal.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by unclefred View Post
                  That's just a fake war on the flag.
                  Hi

                  Sorry but I don't quite understand what your statement is saying?

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                  "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." Churchill

                  "I'm no reactionary.Christ on the Mountain! I'm as idealistic as Hell" Eisenhower

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                  • #10
                    While it is true that the demographic is changing in Ulster it would be very very rash to assume that all catholics want union with Eire enough to vote for it.

                    This is not just a matter of the current economic chaos either. The catholic middle class in the Six Counties would have to trade a lot of benefits away for themselves and their children to leave the UK and since their status and postion in Ulster is now increasingly recognised and protected a significant number of them would think very carefully before voting to leave the UK.

                    If and when it comes to a referendum I would expect a huge protestant turn out but a lot of Catholics may chose to vote with their arses and stay sitting down come voting day.

                    Apart from anything else having a huge number of very angry, potentially violent and well armed Proddies running around being anti-social within Eire is enough to make any sane person think very carefully about their vote.
                    What would Occam say?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by billscottmorri View Post
                      While it is true that the demographic is changing in Ulster it would be very very rash to assume that all catholics want union with Eire enough to vote for it.

                      This is not just a matter of the current economic chaos either. The catholic middle class in the Six Counties would have to trade a lot of benefits away for themselves and their children to leave the UK and since their status and postion in Ulster is now increasingly recognised and protected a significant number of them would think very carefully before voting to leave the UK.

                      If and when it comes to a referendum I would expect a huge protestant turn out but a lot of Catholics may chose to vote with their arses and stay sitting down come voting day.

                      Apart from anything else having a huge number of very angry, potentially violent and well armed Proddies running around being anti-social within Eire is enough to make any sane person think very carefully about their vote.
                      Agreed entirely, very thoughtful post!

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                      • #12
                        Well the vote not to fly the flag has sparked days of violence with many police injured and an attempted murder of two police officers by throwing a petrol bomb into their car, guarding the mp who voted to not to fly the flag.
                        Its going to be very difficult to understand the minds of both sides in ulster. The hatred is so deep rooted its like arab and jew.
                        I have seen the real thing up close and had it directed at me many times.
                        The police are saying its similar to the 80s in violence levels and are justly worried that it will spark of tit for tat attacks against each other. They have previously claimed that it can be controlled by them and police from mainland uk.
                        I have a friend in the police in belfast who says that his boss was thinking of asking for that help.
                        Can we all take a moment to think of the innocent victims and injured police who have just had there christmas and some lives ruined.
                        If any of you have been in a riot as explained you wil know what i mean.
                        Its a flag its not worth it.
                        But it means everything.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Andy H View Post
                          Hi

                          Sorry but I don't quite understand what your statement is saying?

                          Regards
                          Hi, I was just joking about the fake war on Xmas thread.
                          "A common thug can kill someone, but it takes the talents of an intelligence service to make a murder appear to be a suicide or accident death." -- James Angleton, CIA, Chief of Counterintelligence.

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                          • #14
                            To understand the Loyalist and Republicans search for school kids running guantlet of hate, if its still out there, if not then try a search about the police and army escorting protestant kids to school.
                            There all a bit mad in ulster

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by unclefred View Post
                              Hi, I was just joking about the fake war on Xmas thread.
                              Hi

                              Oh I see!

                              To some extent you are correct, in that for many they don't need a real excuse to cause violence and mayhem. However for a large % the Flag issue is a real issue and a cause celebre for a large % of the population.

                              The only people who wanted this law passed was a minority of politicians pandering to a vocal minority of the electorate. Whilst many tensions in the sectarian divide remain, stupid acts like these do nothing to foster trust or help make real progress.

                              Regards
                              "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." Churchill

                              "I'm no reactionary.Christ on the Mountain! I'm as idealistic as Hell" Eisenhower

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