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    Just sat through 18 months of posts on American elections, know ours is yonks away, still thats no excuse not to get our own back.

    Will be voting Conservative, happy with call me Dave,

    for the time being, if somebody can assume Docs role as graph/stat man for this thread for the entirety of between now and election day, id be much obliged.

    Wish my Facebook circle cared as much about our own electoral process as of that across the pond.
    Sealion would have failed..............runs,

  • #2
    Originally posted by UGLYGUTS View Post
    for the time being, if somebody can assume Docs role as graph/stat man for this thread for the entirety of between now and election day, id be much obliged.
    No-one over here has got the time or lack of sexual outlet to do that...

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    • #3
      Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
      No-one over here has got the time or lack of sexual outlet to do that...
      Nor the urge to spend 3.6 billion to decide which waste of spaces are going to parliament

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      • #4
        Wouldn't it be fantastic if everyone voted raving loony?
        "Sometimes its better to light a flamethrower than to curse the darkness" T Pratchett

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        • #5
          Originally posted by DARKPLACE View Post
          Wouldn't it be fantastic if everyone voted raving loony?
          William Pitt the Younger for me.



          Philip
          "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." Bertrand Russell

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          • #6
            Originally posted by PhilipLaos View Post
            William Pitt the Younger for me.



            Philip
            Love the BlackAdder version but we could do with the real thing...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DARKPLACE View Post
              Wouldn't it be fantastic if everyone voted raving loony?
              Not really, they would probably be the only people in the whole of the UK we could send to parliament who would be more useless than the ones already there.

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              • #8
                Thread needs more Kenyan Socialism.
                Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the cheesemakers

                That's right bitches. I'm blessed!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Rojik View Post
                  Thread needs more Kenyan Socialism.
                  We want to sse David Cameron's birth certificate!!!....

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DARKPLACE View Post
                    Wouldn't it be fantastic if everyone voted raving loony?
                    Judging by the idiots who did seem to get elected, the people of Britain do vote raving loony.
                    War is less costly than servitude

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                    • #11
                      Even if this thread were considerably closer to election time part of the OPs point would remain - it'd be mostly getting own back-, there'd be, I think, little actual desire to have a comparable thread, or run of threads, as we see in Politics Central, with the Americans.
                      British politics are more subdued (And private, how many bumper stickers you got?). Can you imagine going to a political rally and getting excited to this degree?;





                      Neither can I.

                      And there in lies the rub - Americans, bless 'em, seem to take it more seriously. Quite understandible, they're keen on democracy visibly at work, it would seem. But If we had those kind of beer-hall rallies with triillions of people waving placards, and bumper stickers, and all the rest of it.. well.it'd be odd wouldn't it?

                      Not that we don't have crazies here. We do, but they're mostly students who're already involved in party politics at university level, and none of them get dressed up in red white and blue sequinned Labour outfits. But I'd argue even Blaire's supporters with the 'things can only get better' tune weren't as politically excitable.That may be in part due to the US's position as Superpower contrasted to Britain's which isn't. But I think it's more to do with political culture and attitudes to politicians.
                      Americans say in America they don't like politicians, (I disagree based on the big-crowds, but...)but in Britain we have a disinterested apathy. That may be good or bad, but I think it's more peaceful than what it could be if we were as politically motivated at the cousins.

                      But I'm not nay-saying the idea of the thread itself. If anything it'd be interesting. Unless Lord Palmerston is running again, I'm not too interested in getting behind any one politician, or even really, any party. I try and be non-partisan but I seem to be of a conservative mindset, so I'll probably cast a vote for Dave if he runs again or whoever's the conservative candidate. Liberal Democrats are a spent force, not that I can name a policy of theirs off the top of my head I agreed with last election. And thirdly Fabianism isn't my bag either.

                      What're people's thoughts on UKIP getting more of the conservative vote? Seemed a bit optimistic when I heard of it.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Selous View Post
                        Unless Lord Palmerston is running again, I'm not too interested in getting behind any one politician, or even really, any party.
                        Pitt the Elder!

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                        • #13
                          And I believe Mr Gumble settled the debate in the way that the fate of the universe always has been!
                          LORD PALMERSTON!
                          Last edited by Selous; 10 Nov 12, 12:26.
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                          • #14
                            Anyone think the PM would look more distinguished with a moustache?




                            It's a better look, he should do it.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Selous View Post

                              And there in lies the rub - Americans, bless 'em, seem to take it more seriously. Quite understandible, they're keen on democracy visibly at work, it would seem. But If we had those kind of beer-hall rallies with triillions of people waving placards, and bumper stickers, and all the rest of it.. well.it'd be odd wouldn't it?
                              The US is a big country. The number of people who actively participate in these things is actually quite small. Most cars don't actually have political bumper stickers, and those that do usually only have one. Only the real nut jobs wall paper their cars with stickers. Oh, we have them and you see them once in a while, but they are very rare.

                              I have only once been to a political rally. It was on the campus when I was at university and the politician was there to give a speech and try to win support. I just happened upon it and stayed to watch for a bit. What most impressed me about the event was the way they planted people in the crowd to try to manipulate those watching into clapping and cheering at their cued moments to create the effect they wanted to be recorded by the news. Well, the guy I was with thought thought this was just too much and since he has one of those humorous personalities, he decided to try to see if he could do it too. So he would start to clap and cheer at strange times and see if the crowd would follow. They did. It was absolutely hilarious and created a look of confusion on the candidates face as he didn't understand the deviation from the script. Ultimately the audience plants tried to get my friend to leave, because he was screwing up the program. It was fantastic

                              I haven't participated in any political events since, and I think this would be true of the majority of the population.

                              Americans say in America they don't like politicians
                              I think it is generally true. I think that mostly those who are really enthusiastic about politicians are those from the political base who are routinely involved. But again, they aren't a good sample of the rest of us.

                              I think it is media driven. The media needs something to show on TV so it is focusing on the crowds. Therefore in TV it probably makes it seem like these events are really popular and attended by a broad spectrum of people. When in reality most people don't have the time to go to these things. What with jobs and other obligations. For that matter, who would want to use their precious time off to go listen to a politician speak even if they liked him?

                              Here is something you may not know though. Often when the president speaks the crowds are internally generated. Because they don't want it to look like no one cares, often when the president is speaking federal employees are allowed to take time from work, without pay loss, to go to the event. They don't force people to go, but there is an incentive none the less because people get away from work with pay to go. I have a couple of friends who work for the federal government that told me about this. It is not just for speeches though. Recently the state department did it for the arrival of the bodies of the people killed in Libya. Any State employees who wanted to go were released so there would be a crowd of people there for the cameras.

                              And then of course there is the situation where the politician is speaking at a factory or other job site. The people cannot work while the speech is going on, so there is built in crowd. Again, people essentially being paid to be there.

                              My point is simply that on TV it makes it look like these people are sought out by flocks of adoring fans. In reality it isn't necessarily so.

                              Now, having said all that I wish it was different here. It goes on far too long, takes up too much time, overshadows everything else, and costs too much money.

                              I like how it is in the UK. You have the election, and within 24 hours the new guy is kissing the Queen's hand and moving into number 10. Here we have to have months and years of campaigning, then when it is all over we have to have another couple of months of transition and lame duck legislation. I understand how this was necessary when the country was founded and it took a while for people to travel from far away states to the capital, but today it should be just as fast as England. And Lame Duck sessions should be eliminated because they are extremely undemocratic.

                              So, while I think that most of the hype in US elections is generated by the media need to have something to report and put on the set for a 24 hour news cycle, I do still think that we over do politics way too much and wish it could some how be streamlined.

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