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  • Originally posted by Emtos View Post
    Chinese doesn't force the ideology on others.
    Except Hongkong, Uighurs, Taiwan. And by the latest adoption of laws anyone expressing anything outside China is liable for prosecution IN China, should China so decide.

    Best avoided also by private individuals.

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    • Those are Chinese territories. They don't say to Africans or ex-Soviet republics how they should live.
      There are no Nazis in Ukraine. © Idiots

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      • Originally posted by Emtos View Post
        Those are Chinese territories. They don't say to Africans or ex-Soviet republics how they should live.
        Yet. Also, I don't consider Taiwan a part of the PRC. It never was part of the PRC. They also broke the agreement with Great Britain as far as the timeframe for assimilating Hong Kong into the PRC.

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        • Originally posted by johns624 View Post

          Yet. Also, I don't consider Taiwan a part of the PRC. It never was part of the PRC. They also broke the agreement with Great Britain as far as the timeframe for assimilating Hong Kong into the PRC.
          Taiwan and Hong Kong are made of Chinese. It's normal that Chinese government can do with them whatever it wants.
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          • Originally posted by Emtos View Post

            Taiwan and Hong Kong are made of Chinese. It's normal that Chinese government can do with them whatever it wants.
            No, there's a thing called international law. Of course, the Chinese never let them stop them when they ruled against their actions in the South China Sea.

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            • Originally posted by johns624 View Post

              No, there's a thing called international law. Of course, the Chinese never let them stop them when they ruled against their actions in the South China Sea.
              If Western countries ignore it, why should the Chinese respect it ?
              There are no Nazis in Ukraine. © Idiots

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              • Originally posted by Emtos View Post
                Those are Chinese territories. They don't say to Africans or ex-Soviet republics how they should live.
                China has committed to things in international agreements that it is now fast reneging on – while extending it's own legislation of who is allowed to say what about China in such a fashion that everyone everywhere is potentially prosecutable in China. Which is a problem since the Chinese law is what the Communist Party says it is.

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                • Originally posted by Emtos View Post

                  If Western countries ignore it, why should the Chinese respect it ?
                  Because all its relations with the outside world relies on them. Makes things reasonably predictable and safe. Not to mention profitable.

                  But China right now has clearly decided control and power are overriding interests.

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                  • seems inevitable that the Taiwan question has no solution; bit like Israel and the Palestinians. I guess every now and then you have to put your hand up and accept reality.

                    At least Taiwan is closer to its principle military ally than Israel is....or Australia...

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                    • From The Sydney Morning Herald - In Xi Jinping's efforts to make China No. 1, Is He Forgetting The Basics?

                      Short answer, yes.

                      Link and excerpts below.


                      https://www.smh.com.au/national/in-x...15-p552pk.html


                      excerpt 1

                      Xi Jinping has set China the goal of leading the world in cutting edge technology, but has overlooked the very basics. While the regime is pursuing quantum computing, artificial intelligence and space dominance, it has neglected one of the founding concepts of physics. Isaac Newton's third law says that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

                      As Xi pushes harder and harder for global dominance, he is provoking a growing pushback. Not just from the US. A growing number of people, countries and organisations are realising that Xi's China is not the China they thought they knew.

                      excerpt 2

                      But whatever the politics, putting Beijing at the centre of NATO's concerns is a historic shift. And this point from the secretary-general would be uncomfortable for any American president to hear: "Compared to China, even the US is not the biggest one. Soon China will have the biggest economy in the world, they are leading in investing in a lot of advanced technologies, and including parts of artificial intelligence, quantum computing and so on, then it's even more important that we stand together, North America and Europe together, because we cannot manage this alone."

                      Stoltenberg said that NATO needed to work more closely with the developed democracies in the Asia-Pacific, "like Australia, Japan, New Zealand, South Korea, to defend the global rules and institutions that have kept us safe for decades".

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                      • I agree, but don't think that most European members of NATO will get involved. Most seem to think that it doesn't concern them and they have let their militaries slide so far that they couldn't get a vessel to the SCS for FON cruises if their lives depended on it. It would be like the Russian Baltic fleet trying to get to Tsushima...

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                        • well Germanys about to feel the squeeze; it needs to decide if it will allow Huawai to get involved in its countries national 5G rollout...and on the other side of the argument is the US which would rather it didnt...

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                          • Originally posted by lakechampainer View Post
                            But whatever the politics, putting Beijing at the centre of NATO's concerns is a historic shift. And this point from the secretary-general would be uncomfortable for any American president to hear: "Compared to China, even the US is not the biggest one. Soon China will have the biggest economy in the world, they are leading in investing in a lot of advanced technologies, and including parts of artificial intelligence, quantum computing and so on, then it's even more important that we stand together, North America and Europe together, because we cannot manage this alone."

                            Stoltenberg said that NATO needed to work more closely with the developed democracies in the Asia-Pacific, "like Australia, Japan, New Zealand, South Korea, to defend the global rules and institutions that have kept us safe for decades".
                            It's the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation - unless the Chinese start patrolling the North Sea, Beijing is not, nor should ever be "....at the centre of NATO's concerns..." imho.
                            Lambert of Montaigu - Crusader.

                            Bolgios - Mercenary Game.

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                            • Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

                              It's the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation - unless the Chinese start patrolling the North Sea, Beijing is not, nor should ever be "....at the centre of NATO's concerns..." imho.
                              Wrong. Something can be a threat without being right on your border.

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                              • Depends on the size of your border

                                Doesn't matter - if 'Beijing' is a problem - a new alliance treaty should be written to deal with it, not an old one abused.
                                Last edited by Snowygerry; 29 Jul 20, 10:51.
                                Lambert of Montaigu - Crusader.

                                Bolgios - Mercenary Game.

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