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  • One thing that we could do to really hurt the PRC is to kick all their students out of our universities. They come here, get educated, and then go home and try to destroy us.

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    • Originally posted by johns624 View Post
      One thing that we could do to really hurt the PRC is to kick all their students out of our universities. They come here, get educated, and then go home and try to destroy us.
      Trump is on it. He already mentioned this.

      “Someone who doesn’t know is less stupid than someone who wrongly think he knows."

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      • It turns out many of the Chinese Communist Party leaders are "Princelings" - descendants or relatives of big shots. Paramount Leader Xi Jinping is a princeling. Apparently nepotism is everywhere. What would Stalin say (he would not exchange a German general for his POW son)?

        Reminds one of our problems in the US- Clintons and Bushes and Kennedys etc. etc. etc,. Trudeau in Canada. I wonder if the advanced countries like Sweden and Norway and Switzerland have issues like this?

        Link to Wikipedia article on the CCP Princelings, followed by excerpts.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princelings



        excerpt 1

        The Princelings (simplified Chinese: 太子党; traditional Chinese: 太子黨), also translated as the Party's Crown Princes, are the descendants of prominent and influential senior communist officials in the People's Republic of China. It is an informal, and often derogatory, categorization to signify those benefiting from nepotism and cronyism, by analogy with crown princes in hereditary monarchies. Many of its members hold high-level political and business positions in the upper echelons of power. However, there is no discernible political cohesion within the group, and as such they should not be compared to other informal groupings such as the Shanghai clique or the Tuanpai ("Youth League clique"), which resemble intra-party factions with some degree of affinity on policy issues.

        The term was coined in the early 20th century, referring to the son of Yuan Shikai (a self-declared emperor) and his cronies. It was later used to describe the relatives of the top four nationalist families; Chiang Kai-shek's kin, Soong Mei-ling's kin, Chen Lifu's kin, and Kong Xiangxi's kin. After the 1950s, the term was used to describe Chiang Ching-kuo, son of Chiang Kai-shek, and his friends in Taiwan. Today's princelings include the children of the Eight Elders and other recent senior national and provincial leaders. Opportunities are available to princelings that are not available to common people. Using their powerful connections they have the opportunity to obtain profitable opportunities for themselves and for others. The more aggressive of the princelings have amassed fortunes of hundreds of millions of dollars.[1] In late 2015 and early 2016 the term "Zhao family" from Lu Xun’s novella “The True Story of Ah Q,” went viral in China after it was used in an anonymous article “Barbarians at the Gate, Zhao Family Inside” to allude to princelings involvement in a business dispute.[2]

        Notable Princelings include Xi Jinping (son of Xi Zhongxun), China's top leader and Party General Secretary since 2012, and Bo Xilai (son of Bo Yibo), a disgraced former Party Committee Secretary of Chongqing who was also a member of the Politburo.

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        In 2013 a "sons and daughters" program instituted by JPMorgan Chase to hire young princelings for positions in its Chinese operations came to light during a bribery investigation by the SEC. At times standards for hiring young princelings were more lenient than those imposed on other Chinese.[4

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        • Originally posted by Salinator View Post

          The Republic Of China was recognized as the ONE China and legitimate government in exile, and was one of the 5 permanent members of the UN Security Council as one of the five major combatant winners of WWII until 1971 when Nixon blew it and the UN followed the US lead.
          In real life they control just an island of 36k sq km and 23 millions of people. It's nothing compared to the population and size of PRC.
          There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Idiots

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          • Link to article from asiatimes: As Virus Recedes In China, Anti-Xi Revolt Is Spreading.

            Excerpts follow link.

            https://asiatimes.com/2020/03/as-vir...evolt-spreads/

            excerpt 1

            Chinese realty tycoon Ren Zhiqiang is known in the Chinese Communist Party for being an outspoken maverick. Ren, former chief of Beijing Huayuan Group, a state-owned developer, again managed to stoke fresh opposition to Chinese President Xi Jinping earlier this month with an opinion piece that went viral. In his tirade crucifying the top leader, Ren called Xi a “clown” and likened him to the emperor in the famous story by Danish writer Hans Christian Andersen.

            Ren, a member of the party’s princeling clique whose father served as a deputy commerce minister under Mao Zedong, did not mince his words when deprecating Xi’s handling of the pneumonic plague in a post headlined “An official call to arms against Xi: The clown who insists on wearing the emperor’s new clothes.”

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            Ren, 70, has not been seen since then, and his friends have taken to social media seeking information about his whereabouts. News came out during the past weekend, however, that Ren is being held at a secret prison in a suburb in Beijing and that he may be locked up for no less than 15 years as he has been a recidivist, relentlessly attacking Xi. It is said that his interrogators, dispatched by the party’s commission on discipline inspection, have been given instructions from the top echelon of the central leadership to treat him harshly because he has infuriated the top leader.

            Observers say Xi’s fear is that, now that his botched response to the emergence of a highly contagious pathogen in Wuhan has exposed him to sharp jabs from foes within the party, open accusations made by a well-known figure like Ren, a party scion and a businessman-turned opinion leader, may do more harm than broadsides from a dissident, an intellectual or an anti-China firebrand in the West.

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            • Originally posted by lakechampainer View Post
              Link to article from asiatimes: As Virus Recedes In China, Anti-Xi Revolt Is Spreading.

              Excerpts follow link.

              https://asiatimes.com/2020/03/as-vir...evolt-spreads/

              excerpt 1

              Chinese realty tycoon Ren Zhiqiang is known in the Chinese Communist Party for being an outspoken maverick. Ren, former chief of Beijing Huayuan Group, a state-owned developer, again managed to stoke fresh opposition to Chinese President Xi Jinping earlier this month with an opinion piece that went viral. In his tirade crucifying the top leader, Ren called Xi a “clown” and likened him to the emperor in the famous story by Danish writer Hans Christian Andersen.

              Ren, a member of the party’s princeling clique whose father served as a deputy commerce minister under Mao Zedong, did not mince his words when deprecating Xi’s handling of the pneumonic plague in a post headlined “An official call to arms against Xi: The clown who insists on wearing the emperor’s new clothes.”

              excerpt 2

              Ren, 70, has not been seen since then, and his friends have taken to social media seeking information about his whereabouts. News came out during the past weekend, however, that Ren is being held at a secret prison in a suburb in Beijing and that he may be locked up for no less than 15 years as he has been a recidivist, relentlessly attacking Xi. It is said that his interrogators, dispatched by the party’s commission on discipline inspection, have been given instructions from the top echelon of the central leadership to treat him harshly because he has infuriated the top leader.

              Observers say Xi’s fear is that, now that his botched response to the emergence of a highly contagious pathogen in Wuhan has exposed him to sharp jabs from foes within the party, open accusations made by a well-known figure like Ren, a party scion and a businessman-turned opinion leader, may do more harm than broadsides from a dissident, an intellectual or an anti-China firebrand in the West.
              Poor Ren. It was nice knowing him
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              • Originally posted by Emtos View Post

                In real life they control just an island of 36k sq km and 23 millions of people. It's nothing compared to the population and size of PRC.
                That is irrelevant. The Republic Of China was the official government and sat on the UNSC as a permanent member until Nixon got stupid.
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                • Originally posted by Salinator View Post

                  That is irrelevant. The Republic Of China was the official government and sat on the UNSC as a permanent member until Nixon got stupid.
                  If you didn't noticed, UNSC is irrelevant. There are chances that ROC will be removed from the map in foreseeable future.
                  There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Idiots

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                  • Originally posted by Emtos View Post

                    In real life they control just an island of 36k sq km and 23 millions of people. It's nothing compared to the population and size of PRC.
                    What does that say about Belgium?

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                    • Originally posted by Emtos View Post
                      There are chances that ROC will be removed from the map in foreseeable future.
                      You're always full of good cheer...

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                      • Originally posted by johns624 View Post

                        What does that say about Belgium?
                        Nothing. We don't have separatists like PRC has.
                        There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Idiots

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                        • face facts....

                          there really is only one way to deal with the Peoples Republic of China.

                          I cannot say what it is....i'lll be banned for it, and I don't want that.

                          Nevertheless, there is only one way of truly solving the problem. I think you can all guess what that is without me having to express it openly.
                          Reminds me of Greek philosophy that came out from the Peloponesian war. "Sometimes, you have to destroy a thing to save it."
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                          • Originally posted by Emtos View Post

                            Nothing. We don't have separatists like PRC has.
                            Taiwan doesn't have "separatists" either. Taiwan (ROC) was never a part of the PRC.

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                            • Originally posted by johns624 View Post

                              Taiwan doesn't have "separatists" either. Taiwan (ROC) was never a part of the PRC.
                              They're Chinese. They don't recognise the Chinese Government. Thus they're separatists.
                              There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Idiots

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                              • Originally posted by Emtos View Post

                                They're Chinese.
                                I speak as someone who has some fluency in mandarin..

                                wrong. They are taiwanese and recognize their culture - mixture of (mostly) chinese with japanese, and indigenous influences as distinct even before the wars.

                                Their mandarin is also significantly different. They use traditional chinese writing while the Chinese used a simplified form. This makes it hard for each other to read what they write. They also have a local dialect, taiwanese, that is impossible for a Chinese person to understand.

                                The older generations also were fluent in Japanese.

                                too add, the Taiwanese have a snobby attitude towards the Chinese as inferior and many like the Japanese more
                                Last edited by Cult Icon; 01 Jun 20, 13:56.

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