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  • China and the coronavirus.

    Any predictions about how bad this one will get?

    We already see signs of Chinese officials downplaying the situation, will travel bans be the next step?

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-...pread/11888588
    Last edited by Salinator; 25 Jan 20, 16:45.
    "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason."
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    Where the centre of the outbreak has occurred, planes and trains are now suspended.
    "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason."
    Ernest Hemingway.

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    • #3
      WHO report here :

      https://www.who.int/docs/default-sou...-2019-ncov.pdf

      As of 20 January 2020, 282 confirmed cases of 2019-nCoV have been reported from four countries including China (278 cases), Thailand (2 cases), Japan (1 case) and the Republic of Korea (1 case);
      • Cases in Thailand, Japan and Republic of Korea were exported from Wuhan City, China;
      • Among the 278 cases confirmed in China, 258 cases were reported from Hubei Province, 14 from Guangdong Province, five from Beijing Municipality and one from Shanghai Municipality;
      https://www.sciencealert.com/snakes-...rus-here-s-why

      Snakes – the Chinese krait and the Chinese cobra – may be the original source of the newly discovered coronavirus that has triggered an outbreak of a deadly infectious respiratory illness in China this winter.
      The hypothesis that the 2019-nCoV jumped from an animal at the market is strongly supported by a new publication in the Journal of Medical Virology. The scientists conducted an analysis and compared the genetic sequences of 2019-nCoV and all other known coronaviruses.
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      • #4
        Good article on possible treatment here :

        https://time.com/5768956/wuhan-coron...ine-treatment/

        One encouraging development in this outbreak is the rapid response from officials and scientists in China, says Dr. Mark Denison, a coronavirus researcher and infectious disease specialist at the Vanderbilt University School of Medicine. It took months just to sequence the SARS virus when it first turned up in 2003, and Chinese officials were accused of covering up the full extent of the outbreak. Some of those same fears about reporting are swirling now, but the scientific and public-health response has been dramatically faster this time around, Denison says.
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        • #5
          Now a combined total of 18 million Chinese citizens are under lockdown in several cities(Wuhan, Huanggang and Ezhou), with authorities trying to stop the spread of the virus.
          "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason."
          Ernest Hemingway.

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          • #6
            Well at least they're not "downplaying" this time, when they do something, they do it thoroughly
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            • #7
              Perhaps people can understand why we need borders now? Feelings are not useful weapons against reality. The world is a harsh place and the chaos of the perfect is the enemy of the good.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                Perhaps people can understand why we need borders now? Feelings are not useful weapons against reality. The world is a harsh place and the chaos of the perfect is the enemy of the good.
                "Borders" as such don't stop a virus from spreading, basic hygienic (food) safety measures do.

                https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/...y-perspective/

                As a result, food products at wet markets are coming into contact with increased amounts of pathogens, leading to heightened risks of foodborne diseases.
                National borders, much like most of the mouth masks you see in the pictures from China, are cosmetic mostly, and provide a feeling of safety.

                China has borders, it even has a great wall, didn't matter much, the virus spread to neighbouring nation states quickly enough.

                Distance protects you though, as does good medical practice in known cases.

                Caution is advised when dealing with direct traffic from China atm.
                Last edited by Snowygerry; 24 Jan 20, 05:05.
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                • #9
                  Bats are among the carriers of the coronavirus. They infected the civets, snakes and other illegal exotic animals that are being eaten by Chinese. Supposedly eating bats cures many ailments. Bat feces is suppose to cure everything from bad vision to childhood malnutrition.





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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
                    "Borders" as such don't stop a virus from spreading, basic hygienic (food) safety measures do.
                    Borders would help when a virus can spread from human to human.

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                    • #11
                      Well they "help" because they are places where *your* national government can take basic safety measures in regard to anything coming in from the affected area.

                      Borders mark the limit of governmental authority, but not much else.

                      Arguably - in a world "without borders" we could have imposed our food safety standards on the Chinese, and we/they wouldn't have this problem now
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
                        Arguably - in a world "without borders" we could have imposed our food safety standards on the Chinese, and we/they wouldn't have this problem now

                        They could also impose their food safety standards on us.





                        Korea: Baby mice wine
                        To make baby mice wine, stuff rodents no more than three days old into a bottle of rice wine and let stew for a year. The tonic is believed to be an all-purpose cure for everything from asthma to liver disease.




                        China: Deer penis
                        The Chinese in Guangzhou eat tiger penis to boost sexual performance and stamina. Tiger penis has been banned for obvious reasons, so the equally impressive (in terms of heft) deer penis is more often consumed. Although the alcohol-soaked substance is legal, consumption is on the wane: Chinese athletes were banned from consuming it during the Beijing Olympics.




                        Tibet: Caterpillar fungus
                        The caterpillar fungus (Cordyceps sinensis) is highly coveted because it grows only in the high altitudes of the Himalayas. The fungus kills and mummifies a caterpillar, then sprouts a grass-like reproductive body -- hence its worm-like appearance. Tibetans have used it for centuries to treat cancer, fatigue, and other ailments. According to legend, locals once successfully resisted a Mongol attack because they ate copious amounts of the fungus.




                        Thailand and Vietnam: White ant soup
                        A soup made from ant parts -- eggs, larvae, bodies -- sounds like stomachache in the making. But according to WeirdMeat.com, it’s delicious: “The eggs are soft and pop gently in your mouth with a wee bit of sour taste.” The high amino acid content also keeps muscle, hair, glands, and organs in top condition.




                        Indonesia: Bat hearts
                        In Jakarta, fruit bats are sold to passersby, not as exotic pets, but as a cure for asthma. The custom is to remove the heart while the mammal is alive, then cook and eat it. At US$3 apiece, the bats are a lot cheaper than inhalers.




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                        • #13
                          13 cities with a combined total of roughly 41 million people are now under lockdown.
                          "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason."
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Reimnitz View Post
                            They could also impose their food safety standards on us.
                            Sure, I'm not actually advocating a world without borders here, that last bit was a joke.

                            Just pointing out that a national border, in itself, does nothing but limit authority, and that all depends on the quality the ones guarding the "border"


                            This is how borders "help" you, by channeling influx and vigilantly guarding entry points.

                            https://time.com/5769488/coronavirus-airport-screening/

                            Days after officials from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) announced that all travelers from Wuhan, China would be “funnel[ed]” through one of five U.S. airports to be screened for a novel coronavirus, representatives from the agency said the plan is still in the process of being implemented—and it’s unclear exactly when it will be, a process complicated by a quarantine in Wuhan put in place by the Chinese government.
                            Flights into the U.S. are not yet being rerouted to ensure that travelers pass through one of them, though implementation is “imminent,” according to an agency representative.
                            Last edited by Snowygerry; 24 Jan 20, 07:45.
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                            • #15
                              Got an email this morning from a good friend who teaches in Shanghai. She's traveling with another friend on the train to Beijing, X'ian, Chengdu and then back to Shanghai. There are some restrictions going in and out of cities near Wuhan but other than the government closing large enclosed tourist sites (Tienamin Sq great halls etc.) life goes on. Face masks are everywhere and free for the taking. Lots of travel restrictions for New Year's though.
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