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  • Protesters storm Hong Kong legistlative council and raise the Union Flag.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-48829298

    Seems some have fond memories of the Empire.
    "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

  • #2
    are the Chinese warming up their tanks??

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    • #3
      The protests are ongoing. Shutting down the HK airport now. Don't seem many Union Jacks in evidence now.

      Compared to how French Plod deal with the Yellow Vests the Hong Kong police seem remarkably restrained.




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      • #4
        If the Chinese are putting troops on Hong Kong's border, it may be a harbinger of what they intend to do. If so, it would be Tianamen Square on a much larger scale.

        And the Chinese have no qualms about killing a few thousand dissidents.

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        • #5
          The Chinese moved too quickly. I've read that they were trying to use the same "semi-autonomous" line to try to get Taiwan to rejoin. Now, they've played their hand and that will never happen.

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          • #6
            As I understand it, HK will automaticaly become a legal part of the PRC in 2043 or somewhat ?

            The Brits rented it for 99 years and negotiated for the citizens to retain their existing rights for another half century or so.

            So all of this seems rather futile, can they legally migrate to the UK ?

            If so now imho would be the time to do so
            High Admiral Snowy, Commander In Chief of the Naval Forces of The Phoenix Confederation.

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            • #7
              I don't think the residents of Hong Kong are eligible to move to the UK. The UK actually owned Hong Kong Island, but the Chinese refused to renew the Lease for the New Territories Kowloon).

              Pruitt
              Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

              Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
                I don't think the residents of Hong Kong are eligible to move to the UK. The UK actually owned Hong Kong Island, but the Chinese refused to renew the Lease for the New Territories Kowloon).

                Pruitt
                Not quite correct, the UK never sought to renew the lease and negotiated the settlement before it expired.
                Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jeffdoorgunnr View Post
                  are the Chinese warming up their tanks??
                  It's beginning to look like it...

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartandhp

                  'By massing the troops within view of Hong Kong, the semiautonomous territory convulsed by protests, China’s Communist Party is delivering a strong warning that the use of force remains an option for Beijing. It is also a stark reminder that military power remains a bedrock of the party’s legitimacy.
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                  • #10
                    If they do they in one fell swoop prove all the nasty things that has been said internationally about China being a proper dictature after all. And China is still sensitive to that kind of criticism.

                    For now they probably are there just in a general more menacing way. An indication of capability, should Beijing decide to.

                    Beijing probably has no clue about why the protests are happening, and so has no clue about what to do about them. The master narrative coming out now is that it is a conspiracy, that a "black hand" is behind if all, i.e. that it is foreign provocateurs stirring up trouble. And that is straight out of the old Soviet play-book.

                    The problem risks being that Beijing believes its own propaganda, and certainly cannot get its head around a proper popular movement. The slightly panicky resort to jailing former leaders of former HK popular movements smacks of it. It's just inconcievable for Beijing that this is HK people in general by their own volition taking to the streets. So now they start jailing the usual suspects, but are confused that no new really identifiable suspects are being turned up by the protests. Shouldn't be possible. But the HK:ers have learnt from previous experience of Beijing.

                    And part of the problem is that Beijing clearly has no concept of the sheer disconnect that has been brewing for years between the unelected council of Beijing loylists it keeps appointing, and the HK citizens. And it's damned if it's going to acknowledge it.

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                    • #11
                      Maybe Francis Drake will hear his drum and will come back to life to help the people of Hong Kong.

                      May the spirit of Francis Drake, the great hero of England...be with the freedom loving people of Hong Kong.
                      Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                      Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                      George S Patton

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                        Maybe Francis Drake will hear his drum and will come back to life to help the people of Hong Kong.

                        May the spirit of Francis Drake, the great hero of England...be with the freedom loving people of Hong Kong.
                        What, raiding and plundering and a spot of piracy?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
                          What, raiding and plundering and a spot of piracy?
                          Drake like many in the world at the time black and white alike was involved in slave trade, but records show that Drake only practiced the slave trade for some time.. Eventually Francis Drake worked with the African Cimarron people as equals, in the fight to gain treasure and glory from the Spanish Empire. I would have thought if anything you would admire the people of our shared European history as Drake.. After all some people in our modern world attempt to denigrate the past. We are no better or worse then those that came before. Im on your side. Even Spanish Catholics that fought Drake could not help but admire the English hero.. In WW2 Englishmen recalled Drake to influence them to fight the Reich. That is just so beautiful, thats why in part I like Drake.

                          Here is the Spaniard Francisco Caro de Torres on the Privateer Sir Francis Drake.

                          Francis Drake was greatly disheartened by the ill success of this voyage, which had caused the deaths of two commanders [Hawkins and Clifford] and of so many gentlemen, so he went with his fleet to the Escudo of Veragua, along the coast to the westward. There he took counsel with his brother and with Colonel Thomas [Baskerville] and with such others as were left; he declared to them that he was determined not to return to England without again attempting the expedition up the Chagres River in launches, for so much time had by now passed that the Spaniards would be unprepared for them, and if they could reach the way station at Cruces it would be simple to capture Panama because from there the route was an easy one. He thought that it was better to be defeated than to return to England, where he would be disgraced in the eyes of the Queen and her favorites, for they would hold him responsible for the failure of the voyage and forget his previous successes. Therefore, with great courage, he resolved to renew his attempt, in the course of which he was overtaken by a fever which killed him. This was when the fleet had arrived at the mouth of the Chagres River, which may be considered famous as the scene of the death of so great a sailor. Although he had not been brought up a soldier by profession, his Queen gave him appointments as commander-in-chief of her forces, and employed him in positions of trust and honor. In his profession as a seaman he was one of the most outstanding mariners the world has ever seen: in sailing around it only Magellan preceded him.



                          And Drake is honored worldwide, he was btw knighted by Queen Elizabeth I. Its needed more then ever today for Europeans and Americans to not dislike there own history, that cant happen if it does in mass it will create problems. Its a good thing though that to this day statues and monuments to people like Drake exist. Drake was not a criminal my friend. Drake is honored in San Francisco California wrt The Kimpton Sir Francis Drake Hotel. Drake was not a bad guy, he was a hero. Francis Drake saved England from the Spanish Armada, his name is honored in England. The point is that people in Hong Kong are raising the English flag, they know of the great people of English history and of the fairness of England.
                          Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                          Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                          George S Patton

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                            The point is that people in Hong Kong are raising the English flag
                            The people of Hong Kong, from what I have seen, did not raise the English flag but the Union Flag, also known as the butchers apron.


                            The English flag, the Cross of Saint George.

                            flag-StGeorgeCross.gif

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by walle View Post
                              The people of Hong Kong, from what I have seen, did not raise the English flag but the Union Flag, also known as the butchers apron.


                              The English flag, the Cross of Saint George.

                              flag-StGeorgeCross.gif
                              Well I saw this thread said the Hong Kong protesters raise the union flag which is the flag of The UK of which is the successor to The British Empire of which itself succeed the Kingdom of England yes?

                              Either way though we still see folks use the term England when describing the UK. I’m so used to that word England but good points by you above I will keep that in mind.
                              Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                              Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                              George S Patton

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