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  • Paul Edwards
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    Originally posted by ljadw View Post
    A British woman claimed to be raped at the Festiville music Festival in Lommel (Belgium ) ,which was cancelled (the organisation was swindle ) . If it is true, the chances that the police will find the criminal,are very meagre,and the chances that a court will condemn him,idem .
    Will you ask that a NATO expeditionary force will be sent to Belgium to protect the right of the woman to not to be raped ?
    In 1996 2 % of Australian women were sexually assaulted : why did NATO not intervene ?
    In both Belgium and Australia, rape is illegal and the police are already tasked with bringing rapists to justice to the best of their ability, and you also have freedom of speech and a free media to report things to if you have issues with the government forces. That's all I'm after. Protection of human rights to the best of a democracy's ability. Belgium and Australia are fine and don't require an intervention *currently*. It is Sudan that I have identified as needing an intervention *currently*.

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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by Paul Edwards View Post
    Australia, Belgium etc etc:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...n_against_ISIL


    I don't subscribe to such conspiracy theories.


    The end state of life on earth should be a perpetual war against evil. Constantly canning the horizon looking for the slightest threat to freedom on earth, even including the remote possibility of a military coup in the US. Other NATO nations (and Australia etc should also be members of NATO) should have the ability to rescue the US.
    Obama spent $ millions to get Mursi elected president in Egypt ,Mursi was one of the bosses of the Muslim Brotherhood .
    He spent $ billions to help ISIS in the Libyan Civil War . He did the same in the Syrian Civil war .

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  • ljadw
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    A British woman claimed to be raped at the Festiville music Festival in Lommel (Belgium ) ,which was cancelled (the organisation was swindle ) . If it is true, the chances that the police will find the criminal,are very meagre,and the chances that a court will condemn him,idem .
    Will you ask that a NATO expeditionary force will be sent to Belgium to protect the right of the woman to not to be raped ?
    In 1996 2 % of Australian women were sexually assaulted : why did NATO not intervene ?

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  • Paul Edwards
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    Originally posted by ljadw View Post
    Multiple nations ? Which ones ?
    Australia, Belgium etc etc:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...n_against_ISIL

    And the atrocities from ISIS did not stop Obama and his henchmen to support ISIS in Syria, Libya,Egypt .
    I don't subscribe to such conspiracy theories.

    The war on Terror can never be won as it is waged .
    The end state of life on earth should be a perpetual war against evil. Constantly canning the horizon looking for the slightest threat to freedom on earth, even including the remote possibility of a military coup in the US. Other NATO nations (and Australia etc should also be members of NATO) should have the ability to rescue the US.

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  • ljadw
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    Multiple nations ? Which ones ?
    And the atrocities from ISIS did not stop Obama and his henchmen to support ISIS in Syria, Libya,Egypt .
    The war on Terror can never be won as it is waged .

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  • Paul Edwards
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    Originally posted by ljadw View Post
    The Australian state can take away all your rights: your right to drive a car,to drink a beer, to have guns, to have children , your right not to be assaulted, etc,etc
    I do not acknowledge the Australian state as the ultimate moral arbiter. I consider my own morals to be superior and seek to change the artificial construct of Australia to be more representative of my own policies. It is true that I am out-gunned by the Australian security forces, but that's merely a physical reality, not some moral imperative. If the Australian government makes it legal for me to be raped, I would support NATO forces coming to Australia to topple my government and put someone better (like myself) into power.

    and if you believe that the world will give a damn about it, you live in Alice's Wonderland .
    Part of the War on Terror is for the world to give a damn about my human rights.

    The world did not care about the Killing Field, about Rwanda, about the Armenians,
    The world doesn't speak with one voice. People do speak out against these things. And why didn't you mention the Holocaust?

    no one said a word when ISIS forced children to behead its POWs.
    Multiple nations fought against ISIS, and called them despicable, which is all I want to see happen.

    Why should the world care about you ?
    For the same reason the world should (and does) care about those who jumped from the WTC, and started fighting the War on Terror in response. I merely want the War on Terror's scope to be increased to do an extremely thorough job of responding to evil. Evil includes people who may wish to rape me or others in Australia.

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  • ljadw
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    The Australian state can take away all your rights: your right to drive a car,to drink a beer, to have guns, to have children , your right not to be assaulted, etc,etc and if you believe that the world will give a damn about it, you live in Alice's Wonderland .
    The world did not care about the Killing Field, about Rwanda, about the Armenians, no one said a word when ISIS forced children to behead its POWs. Why should the world care about you ?

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  • Paul Edwards
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    Originally posted by ljadw View Post
    The theory of innate rights is only a fantasy : people have no innate rights . People receive rights from society, from the state ,and these rights can be taken away .
    I totally disagree. I consider that I have the right to not be raped, and I seek to ensure that others have the same right respected, and I also seek to get the ENTIRE WORLD involved (via NATO) in being formally committed to protecting MY human rights.

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  • ljadw
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    The theory of innate rights is only a fantasy : people have no innate rights . People receive rights from society, from the state ,and these rights can be taken away .

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  • Paul Edwards
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    Originally posted by ljadw View Post
    1 Wrong. In a lot of countries a lot of women have not this right .
    No, you're wrong. Women INNATELY have the right to not be raped. It doesn't need to be legislated.

    2 Irrelevant : it is not on you ,or on me to decide which rights women should have outside Australia ,or outside Belgium , because : IT IS NOT YOUR BUSINESS, IT IS NOT MY BUSINESS .
    Wrong. The rape of any woman anywhere on the planet is my business and SHOULD be yours too. The trouble is that you divide the world by nation-state while I divide the world by ideology.

    3 Besides : not only is it not our business, but we can't do anything about it .In most Muslim countries women have few or no rights . It is bad for them , but you nor I will change this, and tomorrow will be another day .
    We can do something about it. We can topple the government and institute by either democracy or colonialism a legal system that PROTECTS women.

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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by Paul Edwards View Post
    You're debating semantics. When I say "capitalist liberal democracy" I'm talking about what you can find in Australia and all of Europe.

    No :it is not about semantics : you make the big mistake by conflating liberalism and democracy .Liberalism was invented to contain democracy .And you will not find capitalist liberal democracy in all of Europe .
    The words '' liberal democracy ''( no one is talking about capitalist liberal democracy ) come from the Anglo-Saxon world and were not used on the continent til 1945 .
    And those who are propagating and promoting these words are leftists,in the USA mostly anti-democratic Democrats ,as Hillary .

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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by Paul Edwards View Post



    I disagree. Would you not even say that women have the right to not be raped?


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    1 Wrong. In a lot of countries a lot of women have not this right .
    2 Irrelevant : it is not on you ,or on me to decide which rights women should have outside Australia ,or outside Belgium , because : IT IS NOT YOUR BUSINESS, IT IS NOT MY BUSINESS .
    3 Besides : not only is it not our business, but we can't do anything about it .In most Muslim countries women have few or no rights . It is bad for them , but you nor I will change this, and tomorrow will be another day .

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  • BELGRAVE
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    Originally posted by ljadw View Post
    Democracy is a luxury the majority of the world population can't afford and, if they can, are unwilling to accept , because it is easier to be ruled than to rule .
    Why do you think that voting is compulsory in Australia ? Because otherwise most people would not vote .
    Why do you think that only a minority votes in the US ? Because the majority is not interested in politics .
    And the situation in the Third World is of course worse,much worse .
    Actually, voting is not compulsory In Australia.
    What is compulsory is that you present yourself at the Polling Station on Election Day, have your name marked off the Electoral Roll, and you are then handed voting papers. What you subsequently do with those papers is entirely up to you.

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  • Paul Edwards
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    Originally posted by ljadw View Post
    1 A capitalist liberal democracy does not exist : capitalism is an economic system, liberalism a political system that is hostile to democracy .
    You're debating semantics. When I say "capitalist liberal democracy" I'm talking about what you can find in Australia and all of Europe.

    2 There is not one definition of democracy, but every country has its own democracy definition .
    I disagree. I can look at Iraq and see multiple parties to vote for, and an unknown result and say "that's a democracy".

    3 Why should non-Australians have the same rights as Australians ? Universal rights do not exist .
    I disagree. Would you not even say that women have the right to not be raped?

    4 You say : non Australians have the same voting rights as Australians, but if British who are non-Australians, would vote for comrade Corbyn, we must take their voting rights away and put them under curatele . Which means that for you democracy applies only if one does as you are saying .
    I believe in rational, humanist, non-subjugating government *in that order*. So yes, if a population is uneducated or whatever is wrong with the British people, I do support overriding their democratic choice with a rational economic choice. At least if it is possible and strategic at a particular point in world history. That's why I support the US's actions during the Cold War to limit the spread of communism in places like South America. My commitment to doing what is rational is higher than my commitment to let uneducated Britons vote for revolutionary socialism. Although I have a desire to put Britain under Australian colonial rule, it's probably not practical/strategic at this point in human history. Liberating Sudan and not interfering with their democratic choice is what I consider to be strategic at this point in world history. The British will just have to suffer under Corbyn I'm afraid, and we will no longer be able to count on them as an ally.

    5 Australia is not the center of the world, thus stop lecturing how other countries should behave .
    My opinion stands regardless of my nationality. Other countries that could be the colonial power in the UK are Poland and Peru which also have center-right parties as the two major parties.
    Last edited by Paul Edwards; 28 Jun 19, 16:23.

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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by Paul Edwards View Post
    I support secular capitalist liberal democracy. We have aberrations like the Venezuelans democratically voting the communists into power. In another sweep of the world we need to replace bad democracies with colonialism. Actually, I support the UK being put under colonial rule, possibly Australian rule (both of our major parties are center-right), because they look like they're stupid enough to vote Corbyn into power. They also need to implement instant runoff voting like we use in Australia.


    No, I'm just saying that non-Australians have the RIGHT to vote, the same as we have in Australia. And in the first sweep of the world I just want to make sure enemy dictators have all been replaced with democracies. At this stage they are free to vote for whatever they want, including communism. Let them get it out of their system like the Venezuelans.
    1 A capitalist liberal democracy does not exist : capitalism is an economic system, liberalism a political system that is hostile to democracy .
    2 There is not one definition of democracy, but every country has its own democracy definition .
    3 Why should non-Australians have the same rights as Australians ? Universal rights do not exist .
    4 You say : non Australians have the same voting rights as Australians, but if British who are non-Australians, would vote for comrade Corbyn, we must take their voting rights away and put them under curatele . Which means that for you democracy applies only if one does as you are saying .
    5 Australia is not the center of the world, thus stop lecturing how other countries should behave .

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