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  • Democracy is a luxury the majority of the world population can't afford and, if they can, are unwilling to accept , because it is easier to be ruled than to rule .
    Why do you think that voting is compulsory in Australia ? Because otherwise most people would not vote .
    Why do you think that only a minority votes in the US ? Because the majority is not interested in politics .
    And the situation in the Third World is of course worse,much worse .

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    • Originally posted by ljadw View Post
      Democracy is a luxury the majority of the world population can't afford and, if they can, are unwilling to accept , because it is easier to be ruled than to rule .
      This is not true. The majority are happy with democracy.

      Why do you think that voting is compulsory in Australia ? Because otherwise most people would not vote .
      Because most people are happy regardless of which major party comes to power. So what? That in no way whatsoever means that Australians reject democracy.

      Why do you think that only a minority votes in the US ? Because the majority is not interested in politics .
      So what? Again, they're not rejecting democracy, they just don't care which major party gets into power.

      And the situation in the Third World is of course worse,much worse .
      No, it isn't much worse. You get similar turnouts of 50%. There is nothing wrong with that.

      And regardless, that is all I am trying to achieve in the first sweep of the world. Find out what is in people's heads. Are they going to vote for jihad against the West as the koran stipulates? This will then inform future action.

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      • Most people outside the Anglo-Saxon world do not care about democracy ,they are willing to replace democracy with a dictator if he would give them a better life .You can't feed your children with blahblah about liberty .And even in the US a big part of the population is supporting politicians who want to destroy the first and second amendment .

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        • Originally posted by ljadw View Post
          Most people outside the Anglo-Saxon world do not care about democracy ,they are willing to replace democracy with a dictator if he would give them a better life .
          This doesn't make sense. They can simply vote for the guy instead of installing him as a dictator.

          You can't feed your children with blahblah about liberty .
          So vote for the guy who says blahblah about standard of living.

          And even in the US a big part of the population is supporting politicians who want to destroy the first and second amendment .
          And who are you to tell the US they shouldn't be doing what you allege? It's their democracy, they're free to vote for whatever they think is best. At least in the initial sweep where we're just trying to find out where everyone stands so that we can get a handle on what to do next sweep.

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          • Originally posted by Paul Edwards View Post
            This doesn't make sense. They can simply vote for the guy instead of installing him as a dictator.


            So vote for the guy who says blahblah about standard of living.


            And who are you to tell the US they shouldn't be doing what you allege? It's their democracy, they're free to vote for whatever they think is best. At least in the initial sweep where we're just trying to find out where everyone stands so that we can get a handle on what to do next sweep.
            1 ) The Germans voted for Hitler and against the Weimar Democracy,although they knew what would happen .
            2 ) The Germans voted for Hitler although they knew that he would install a dictatorship, because the result of Weimar was 6 million on the dole, and in 1939 they supported Hitler notwithstanding the Gestapoterror, because there were no longer 6 million people without a job, but only 600000 .And if in the US there were in 1936 more unemployed than in 1932 ,people would vote for a demagogue and would support him if he destroyed democracy .Last month there were elections in Belgium and 8.62 % of the voters , 562000 people, voted for the communists,although they knew that the communists would destroy democracy if they could : these people were not communists but voted with their wallet : there is an economic crisis in Belgium ,and to paraphrase a Democrat : it is always the economy,you stupid .
            3 )I am not telling the US voters how they should vote , but you are telling the non Australians how to vote .

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            • Originally posted by ljadw View Post
              1 ) The Germans voted for Hitler and against the Weimar Democracy,although they knew what would happen .
              I support secular capitalist liberal democracy. We have aberrations like the Venezuelans democratically voting the communists into power. In another sweep of the world we need to replace bad democracies with colonialism. Actually, I support the UK being put under colonial rule, possibly Australian rule (both of our major parties are center-right), because they look like they're stupid enough to vote Corbyn into power. They also need to implement instant runoff voting like we use in Australia.

              3 )I am not telling the US voters how they should vote , but you are telling the non Australians how to vote .
              No, I'm just saying that non-Australians have the RIGHT to vote, the same as we have in Australia. And in the first sweep of the world I just want to make sure enemy dictators have all been replaced with democracies. At this stage they are free to vote for whatever they want, including communism. Let them get it out of their system like the Venezuelans.

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              • Originally posted by Paul Edwards View Post
                I support secular capitalist liberal democracy. We have aberrations like the Venezuelans democratically voting the communists into power. In another sweep of the world we need to replace bad democracies with colonialism. Actually, I support the UK being put under colonial rule, possibly Australian rule (both of our major parties are center-right), because they look like they're stupid enough to vote Corbyn into power. They also need to implement instant runoff voting like we use in Australia.


                You are saying that Labour in Australia is center-right ?
                It is parotting the Green Fascists and promotes mass immigration from the Third World .
                And the Australian Liberals are not better : they promote a multicultural society ( = civil war ) ,are interventionists and want to plan population : a Marxist procedé .
                And you want to make the UK a colony of Australia ?

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                • Originally posted by ljadw View Post

                  You are saying that Labour in Australia is center-right ?
                  It is parotting the Green Fascists and promotes mass immigration from the Third World .
                  And the Australian Liberals are not better : they promote a multicultural society ( = civil war ) ,are interventionists and want to plan population : a Marxist procedé .
                  And you want to make the UK a colony of Australia ?
                  Although I hate to interrupt your heartfelt angst, it was actually the other way around, old son....



                  The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                  • Paul Edwards said : I support the UK being put under colonial rule ,possibly Australian rule .
                    Thus ......He wanted to make the UK a colony of Australia .

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                    • Originally posted by Paul Edwards View Post
                      I support secular capitalist liberal democracy. We have aberrations like the Venezuelans democratically voting the communists into power. In another sweep of the world we need to replace bad democracies with colonialism. Actually, I support the UK being put under colonial rule, possibly Australian rule (both of our major parties are center-right), because they look like they're stupid enough to vote Corbyn into power. They also need to implement instant runoff voting like we use in Australia.


                      No, I'm just saying that non-Australians have the RIGHT to vote, the same as we have in Australia. And in the first sweep of the world I just want to make sure enemy dictators have all been replaced with democracies. At this stage they are free to vote for whatever they want, including communism. Let them get it out of their system like the Venezuelans.
                      1 A capitalist liberal democracy does not exist : capitalism is an economic system, liberalism a political system that is hostile to democracy .
                      2 There is not one definition of democracy, but every country has its own democracy definition .
                      3 Why should non-Australians have the same rights as Australians ? Universal rights do not exist .
                      4 You say : non Australians have the same voting rights as Australians, but if British who are non-Australians, would vote for comrade Corbyn, we must take their voting rights away and put them under curatele . Which means that for you democracy applies only if one does as you are saying .
                      5 Australia is not the center of the world, thus stop lecturing how other countries should behave .

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                      • Originally posted by ljadw View Post
                        1 A capitalist liberal democracy does not exist : capitalism is an economic system, liberalism a political system that is hostile to democracy .
                        You're debating semantics. When I say "capitalist liberal democracy" I'm talking about what you can find in Australia and all of Europe.

                        2 There is not one definition of democracy, but every country has its own democracy definition .
                        I disagree. I can look at Iraq and see multiple parties to vote for, and an unknown result and say "that's a democracy".

                        3 Why should non-Australians have the same rights as Australians ? Universal rights do not exist .
                        I disagree. Would you not even say that women have the right to not be raped?

                        4 You say : non Australians have the same voting rights as Australians, but if British who are non-Australians, would vote for comrade Corbyn, we must take their voting rights away and put them under curatele . Which means that for you democracy applies only if one does as you are saying .
                        I believe in rational, humanist, non-subjugating government *in that order*. So yes, if a population is uneducated or whatever is wrong with the British people, I do support overriding their democratic choice with a rational economic choice. At least if it is possible and strategic at a particular point in world history. That's why I support the US's actions during the Cold War to limit the spread of communism in places like South America. My commitment to doing what is rational is higher than my commitment to let uneducated Britons vote for revolutionary socialism. Although I have a desire to put Britain under Australian colonial rule, it's probably not practical/strategic at this point in human history. Liberating Sudan and not interfering with their democratic choice is what I consider to be strategic at this point in world history. The British will just have to suffer under Corbyn I'm afraid, and we will no longer be able to count on them as an ally.

                        5 Australia is not the center of the world, thus stop lecturing how other countries should behave .
                        My opinion stands regardless of my nationality. Other countries that could be the colonial power in the UK are Poland and Peru which also have center-right parties as the two major parties.
                        Last edited by Paul Edwards; 28 Jun 19, 16:23.

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                        • Originally posted by ljadw View Post
                          Democracy is a luxury the majority of the world population can't afford and, if they can, are unwilling to accept , because it is easier to be ruled than to rule .
                          Why do you think that voting is compulsory in Australia ? Because otherwise most people would not vote .
                          Why do you think that only a minority votes in the US ? Because the majority is not interested in politics .
                          And the situation in the Third World is of course worse,much worse .
                          Actually, voting is not compulsory In Australia.
                          What is compulsory is that you present yourself at the Polling Station on Election Day, have your name marked off the Electoral Roll, and you are then handed voting papers. What you subsequently do with those papers is entirely up to you.
                          "I dogmatise and am contradicted, and in this conflict of opinions and sentiments I find delight".
                          Samuel Johnson.

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                          • Originally posted by Paul Edwards View Post



                            I disagree. Would you not even say that women have the right to not be raped?


                            .
                            1 Wrong. In a lot of countries a lot of women have not this right .
                            2 Irrelevant : it is not on you ,or on me to decide which rights women should have outside Australia ,or outside Belgium , because : IT IS NOT YOUR BUSINESS, IT IS NOT MY BUSINESS .
                            3 Besides : not only is it not our business, but we can't do anything about it .In most Muslim countries women have few or no rights . It is bad for them , but you nor I will change this, and tomorrow will be another day .

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                            • Originally posted by Paul Edwards View Post
                              You're debating semantics. When I say "capitalist liberal democracy" I'm talking about what you can find in Australia and all of Europe.

                              No :it is not about semantics : you make the big mistake by conflating liberalism and democracy .Liberalism was invented to contain democracy .And you will not find capitalist liberal democracy in all of Europe .
                              The words '' liberal democracy ''( no one is talking about capitalist liberal democracy ) come from the Anglo-Saxon world and were not used on the continent til 1945 .
                              And those who are propagating and promoting these words are leftists,in the USA mostly anti-democratic Democrats ,as Hillary .

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                              • Originally posted by ljadw View Post
                                1 Wrong. In a lot of countries a lot of women have not this right .
                                No, you're wrong. Women INNATELY have the right to not be raped. It doesn't need to be legislated.

                                2 Irrelevant : it is not on you ,or on me to decide which rights women should have outside Australia ,or outside Belgium , because : IT IS NOT YOUR BUSINESS, IT IS NOT MY BUSINESS .
                                Wrong. The rape of any woman anywhere on the planet is my business and SHOULD be yours too. The trouble is that you divide the world by nation-state while I divide the world by ideology.

                                3 Besides : not only is it not our business, but we can't do anything about it .In most Muslim countries women have few or no rights . It is bad for them , but you nor I will change this, and tomorrow will be another day .
                                We can do something about it. We can topple the government and institute by either democracy or colonialism a legal system that PROTECTS women.

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