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    This is why they should have quarinetined the whole damn area infected with Ebola....now we will all pay for the political failure to act quickly.

    Researchers at the Institut Pasteur in France, which first identified the outbreak last March, are investigating whether it could have become more contagious.

    More than 22,000 people have been infected with Ebola and 8,795 have died in Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia.

    Scientists are starting to analyse hundreds of blood samples from Ebola patients in Guinea.

    They are tracking how the virus is changing and trying to establish whether it's able to jump more easily from person to person

    "We know the virus is changing quite a lot," said human geneticist Dr Anavaj Sakuntabhai.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/health-31019097
    Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

  • #2
    Unfortunately, mutation is a viral survival tool. All viruses mutate.

    You're correct - it should have been handled much differently. This is what happens when we put idiots in charge.
    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      Unfortunately, mutation is a viral survival tool. All viruses mutate.

      You're correct - it should have been handled much differently. This is what happens when we put idiots in charge.
      You mean PC idiots! I agree,
      Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
        Ebola virus is mutating.
        I am not the least bit surprised. In order for Ebola, as any other virus, to mutate all it needs is available host. Quote:

        Ebola's high mutation rate and rapid rate of replication combine to allow it to evolve quickly. High mutation rates generate lots of genetic variation for evolutionary processes to work on. And short generation times mean that processes like natural selection and genetic drift can sort through that variation and cause evolutionary change on timescales that are short in human terms.

        A recent study of the current Ebola outbreak — the worst in recorded history — found that the virus is evolving much more quickly than in the past. Why would Ebola's evolution have sped up so much? One possibility is that we are observing this pathogen spread through a relatively novel host: humans.

        If the host population dies out the virus will die out. The only sure means to control the spread of Ebola is isolation, a step it doesn't appear those able to make this happen are willing to make happen.

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        • #5
          As long as it doesn't mutate out of the control of the new (not yet distributed) Ebola vaccines ------

          That's the big thing.

          If there is a vaccine (which I am not especially sanguine about, but who knows) they could stop the next epidemic (sure to be bigger than the 10K deaths so far).

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          • #6
            So, the same panic mongers who last year were running around telling us that hundreds of thousands were going to be infected by about now are back. Curious, there isn't another US election for 2 years. Why bother?

            Anyway, out in the real world, where Ebola is actually happening things are improving. New cases are down. The virus isn't spreading. All those doom-laden predictions that infested Politics Central before the mid-term elections last year are a bust.

            Give up the scare campaign & rejoice that this thing is under control. Give a bit of credit to the people some of you were attacking & defaming last year when it was politically expedient. Well, I hope that was the reason, I'd hate to think you really believe some of the stuff you were saying. Anyway, those people who risked their lives to get this under control appear to have succeeded. Feel free to offer a moment of congratulation to people who actually did something positive about this rather than politicizing it.

            I actually posted this a week ago on the Ebola thread elsewhere. Funnily enough none of the panic mongers replied.

            Just eight cases were detected in Liberia in the last week down from a peak of 500 a week in September. Guinea and Sierra Leone have also seen falls.

            The WHO said the figures were the "most promising" since the outbreak started.

            But it continues to urge caution, and to highlight the need to find those who had contact with Ebola patients.

            The largest outbreak of Ebola in human history has infected 21,724 people and killed 8,641 - largely in just three countries, Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea.

            All are now showing falls in weekly cases:

            Cases in Liberia stand at eight-per-week down from a peak of 509
            Cases in Guinea stand at 20 per week down from a peak of 292
            Cases in Sierra Leone stand at 117-per-week down from a peak of 748
            There are now some days in Liberia where no cases are reported at all.

            Dr Christopher Dye, the director of strategy in the office of the director general, told the BBC News website: "The incidence is pretty clearly going down in all three countries now.

            "Each of the last three weeks has been the most promising we've seen so far, the message is reductions in all places.

            "I would have identified the turning point as the beginning of the decline, first in Liberia and then later in Sierra Leone and Guinea."
            http://www.bbc.com/news/health-30932578
            Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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            • #7
              WOW! easiest way to kill an Ebola thread appears to be printing good news.
              Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BF69 View Post
                WOW! easiest way to kill an Ebola thread appears to be printing good news.
                That is good news, the bad news is it has mutated. Hide your head in the sand if you wish.
                Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                  That is good news, the bad news is it has mutated. Hide your head in the sand if you wish.
                  I'm one of the few people here with his head actually screwed on. Initially I underestimated the final death toll, but I am still closer than most of the hysterics...you included.

                  Weren't you the one claiming America would be 'knee deep' in this some time later this year? I'm sure that if I had the time & stomach to wade through your posts I could find MUCH more. You seem to be addicted to bad news on this & utterly bored to the point of silence by anything else. This was in the article you posted just below the quote you are trying to represent as super scary.

                  There were fewer than 100 new cases in a week for the first time since June 2014.

                  In the week to 25 January there were 30 cases in Guinea, four in Liberia and 65 in Sierra Leone.

                  The World Health Organization says the epidemic has entered a "second phase" with the focus shifting to ending the epidemic.
                  Why not provide this info too? why not provide some context? Why not provide some good news? Doesn't really fit the narrative you have been pushing, does it?

                  Some guy points out that a virus is probably mutating (the observational equivalent of 'a living human is breathing') and it gets a thread. The same article points out just how dramatically infections have dropped & it doesn't make the cut.

                  You're the one with the head buried somewhere.

                  A while back I predicted that people outside Africa would stop caring about this when it was no longer seen as a threat to white people. To the extent I was wrong it was that I overestimated most people here. They lost interest as soon as the mid-terms were over. Fascinating.
                  Last edited by BF69; 02 Feb 15, 02:58.
                  Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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                  • #10
                    More good news to ignore

                    I'm sure this can be spun as bad news.

                    A clinical trial in Liberia of a drug to treat Ebola has been halted because of a sharp decline in the number of people infected with the virus, and studies in West Africa of other potential treatments are also facing problems finding patients.
                    The World Health Organization reported last week that the number of new cases in the three most affected countries — Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone — had fallen below 100 a week for the first time since June. In Liberia, there were only four new cases in the seven days ending Jan. 25, the organization said.

                    Researchers said that, of course, the ebbing of the outbreak was a good problem to have.

                    “It’s more important to end the outbreak than to get the trial done,” said Dr. Armand Sprecher, a public health specialist at Doctors Without Borders, whose Ebola treatment center in Monrovia was the site of the brincidofovir trial.
                    The Ebola outbreak has already sickened more than 22,000 people and has killed more than 8,800, according to the World Health Organization. It is possible that the outbreak could worsen again, as it did at least once before when experts thought it was ebbing.
                    This last one is fascinating because it appears to run directly counter to the 'sky is falling' view of this outbreak. The death rate for Ebola outbreaks is highly variable. It has tended to run in a range from 50%+ to 90%. So far this outbreak is running at 40%. Now, some of those still infected will die, but of the 13,000 people who have been infected & not died, many have already beaten off the infection. In fact, given the dramatically dropping infection rates I suspect most of them already have. So, for all the jumping up & down and talk of 'mutation', it looks like this outbreak has been toward the less dangerous end of the spectrum.

                    Gee, maybe it is mutating to be less dangerous.

                    Put that in a nation with anything resembling health infrastructure (like Nigeria ) and it appears to be controllable and the lethality manageable.

                    Again, not really the story people want to hear.

                    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/02/bu...=top-news&_r=0
                    Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BF69 View Post
                      I'm sure this can be spun as bad news.







                      This last one is fascinating because it appears to run directly counter to the 'sky is falling' view of this outbreak. The death rate for Ebola outbreaks is highly variable. It has tended to run in a range from 50%+ to 90%. So far this outbreak is running at 40%. Now, some of those still infected will die, but of the 13,000 people who have been infected & not died, many have already beaten off the infection. In fact, given the dramatically dropping infection rates I suspect most of them already have. So, for all the jumping up & down and talk of 'mutation', it looks like this outbreak has been toward the less dangerous end of the spectrum.

                      Gee, maybe it is mutating to be less dangerous.

                      Put that in a nation with anything resembling health infrastructure (like Nigeria ) and it appears to be controllable and the lethality manageable.

                      Again, not really the story people want to hear.

                      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/02/bu...=top-news&_r=0
                      All I did was post a story about ebola mutating and you go off on a rant. There had been some very good results in the fight against ebola, perhaps if a quarinetine would have been in place the results would be better, we will never know.
                      What we do know is that the virus is mutating. One more personal attack from you and I will report it. Just as others have done to me.
                      Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                        All I did was post a story about ebola mutating and you go off on a rant. There had been some very good results in the fight against ebola, perhaps if a quarinetine would have been in place the results would be better, we will never know.
                        What we do know is that the virus is mutating. One more personal attack from you and I will report it. Just as others have done to me.
                        No, you did not. You started off with a political rant.

                        This is why they should have quarinetined the whole damn area infected with Ebola....now we will all pay for the political failure to act quickly.
                        “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                        “To talk of many things:
                        Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                        Of cabbages—and kings—
                        And why the sea is boiling hot—
                        And whether pigs have wings.”
                        ― Lewis Carroll

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                          All I did was post a story about ebola mutating and you go off on a rant. There had been some very good results in the fight against ebola, perhaps if a quarinetine would have been in place the results would be better, we will never know.
                          What we do know is that the virus is mutating. One more personal attack from you and I will report it. Just as others have done to me.
                          No, what you did for months was run hot 'n heavy on Ebola with all sorts of wild claims. As you seem to think I have misrepresented you I'll take a bit of time later today & dig up some of the things you said late last year. Should be informative.

                          As for 'personal attacks', have at it. I've simply pointed out the poor quality of your posts. I am also taking the opportunity to point out the general poor quality of posts on this issue last year, when a group of people ran wild on this. Oddly they all seem to have lost interest now that the news is good and there is no political advantage to be attained.

                          Report me if you wish. I haven't said anything specifically about you that I'm remotely worried about.
                          Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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                          • #14
                            i get it, nobody should have any opinion other than yours.
                            Politically the ebola outbreaks was not handled well.
                            Was I scared? You bet I was, and I still worry about it because I have no little confidence in our CDC.
                            I do not believe the ebola outbreak is behind us, our 24 hr. news cycle has moved on.
                            Please in the future ignore my posts as they seem to offend you which is not my intention
                            Or I could submit all of my future ideas for posts to you in advance for your supreme approval.
                            Last edited by Urban hermit; 02 Feb 15, 22:43.
                            Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                              No, you did not. You started off with a political rant.
                              Expressing my opinion on my post is a bad thing is it?
                              Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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