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  • They shall not grow old

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPlXlshA0Zc

    Dunno if there was a topic about this earlier, search function was not co-operative. WW1 documentary by Peter Jackson, looks pretty amazing.
    Wisdom is personal

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    Colorizing was invented by Ted Turner, and it's a nice tool for giving the actual look of the times, but a lot of guess work goes into selecting the colors.

    WWI is gaining popularity again, as is WWII, then the cycle will swing back to Viet Nam, avoiding Korea as usual, and then back around to WWI. It's a regular merry-go-round on the history channel.

    Interesting stuff all the same, though. Cruel and brutal times. A soldier of today would not last one day in the trenches. WE're not that tough anymore.

    Thanks for the post, Karri. I'll watch for it.
    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Karri View Post
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPlXlshA0Zc

      Dunno if there was a topic about this earlier, search function was not co-operative. WW1 documentary by Peter Jackson, looks pretty amazing.
      I did post a heads-up some time ago. My oldest daughter made me aware of it.

      https://forums.armchairgeneral.com/f...son-s-iwm-film
      ‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
      All human ills he can subdue,
      Or with a bauble or medal
      Can win mans heart for you;
      And many a blessing know to stew
      To make a megloamaniac bright;
      Give honour to the dainty Corse,
      The Pixie is a little shite.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Dibble201Bty View Post

        I did post a heads-up some time ago. My oldest daughter made me aware of it.

        https://forums.armchairgeneral.com/f...son-s-iwm-film
        Ah, I thought I saw something somewhere. Unfortunately the forum search would only pick up "NOT grow" as a keyword for one reason or another.
        Wisdom is personal

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        • #5
          Aha! You should have used 'Peter Jackson'
          ‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
          All human ills he can subdue,
          Or with a bauble or medal
          Can win mans heart for you;
          And many a blessing know to stew
          To make a megloamaniac bright;
          Give honour to the dainty Corse,
          The Pixie is a little shite.

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          • #7
            I heard an interview about it on NPR. Sounds amazing. They said in the interview at this time there is no plan to release it in the U.S.

            I hope some one brings it to America. If not in theaters then maybe on PBS. Or maybe History channel could buy rights and show it in the U.S.

            The one minute of it on Y tube definitely left me wanting more!
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            • #8
              Great stuff
              "Ask not what your country can do for you"

              Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

              you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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              • #9
                Superb- and a must see. To be pedantic though (as ever !) the title phrase should properly be " THEY SHALL GROW NOT OLD"
                Laurence Binyon "" For The Fallen"
                "I dogmatise and am contradicted, and in this conflict of opinions and sentiments I find delight".
                Samuel Johnson.

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                • #10
                  To let all those of blighty know that this will be shown on the Tellybox at 9.30pm Sunday 11th

                  https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0brzkzx

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                  • #11
                    Just saw it yesterday.
                    Simply amazing.
                    At the end the audience all clapped, never experienced anything like that before.

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                    • #12
                      Haven't been on the site for a while, but logged on this evening especially to flag this one up.

                      Absolutely incredible - all the superlatives, can't praise it enough. He brings the First World War to life in a way I couldn't even begin to imagine.

                      Watched a few interviews with him since. Basically he was given access to all the footage available by the Imperial War Museum who asked him to 'do something different with it'.

                      He then gained access to the BBC's rich archive of oral histories - recordings of real WWI fighting men taped in the 1960s for the BBC's then series about the Great War.

                      He then colourised, slowed down film speed, digitally remastered, added a sound track of sorts by using specialist lip readers to discover what those in the old film reels were saying. Then adding in actors' voices. He was so painstaking, he even sourced the regiment and then found the local accent so all the voices were authentic.

                      New Zealander Peter Jackson is of English and Welsh ancestry and has always had a fascination with WW1 due to both grandfathers having fought in it, and reminiscences of his own father, talking about his dad.

                      What comes through in this film is the courage, the sheer unadulterated courage of these boys and young men. The things they experienced, the sights they saw, the conditions they endured, the terror they were subjected to. And when they came home no-one wanted to talk about it. No one really cared. There were even signs on potential places of employment that said 'no ex servicemen need apply' - that is how much they were valued.

                      Finally, I think I now understand where the reputation of the Brits having awful teeth comes from. So many in the film, despite being young, strong, good looking had terrible teeth! Not all of course, but some - teeth missing and in one case, a very good looking young soldier with a good set of teeth, smiles to camera and they are stained black! However, given that in years of service, they had only one uniform, never had a bath, were riddled with lice, stunk to high heaven and ate anything they were given, - I don't think toothpaste and toothbrushes were high on the agenda.

                      I can imagine perhaps the American soldiers coming to Europe late in the war ... and seeing the scruffy, dirty, smelly black teeth Brits ... and 100 years later it's an impression that persists.

                      For anyone in the UK or elsewhere who can access the BBC player please watch it.

                      https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...l-not-grow-old

                      Interviews with Peter Jackson and trailers can be found on youtube.

                      Peter Jackson is already a 'Sir' but he deserves an Oscar or something for this.

                      "COOMMAAAAAAANNNNDOOOO!!!!!"
                      - Mad Jack Churchill.

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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by Tuck's Luck View Post
                        Finally, I think I now understand where the reputation of the Brits having awful teeth comes from. So many in the film, despite being young, strong, good looking had terrible teeth! Not all of course, but some - teeth missing and in one case, a very good looking young soldier with a good set of teeth, smiles to camera and they are stained black! However, given that in years of service, they had only one uniform, never had a bath, were riddled with lice, stunk to high heaven and ate anything they were given, - I don't think toothpaste and toothbrushes were high on the agenda.

                        I can imagine perhaps the American soldiers coming to Europe late in the war ... and seeing the scruffy, dirty, smelly black teeth Brits ... and 100 years later it's an impression that persists.
                        I think you are mixing WW1 and WW2 up. In 1917 American and British teeth would have been equally bad. It was in the inter war years that US dental practice picked up and British lagged
                        Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                        Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                        • #14
                          Originally posted by MarkV View Post

                          I think you are mixing WW1 and WW2 up. In 1917 American and British teeth would have been equally bad. It was in the inter war years that US dental practice picked up and British lagged
                          I'm not 'mixing' anything up. I have no idea about the state of American teeth during WWI.

                          I just made an observation about the young British soldiers of WW1 - good looking, strong young men with handsome faces, but the state of their teeth was obvious - black, broken, missing etc.

                          If you read my post again you will note that I say 'I think', 'I imagine' and so on. Nowhere do I claim that I know - just making an observation.

                          If the American soldier in 1914-18 had teeth that were as as bad as the British (German, French, Canadian, Australian) teeth then obviously the notion that Brits have bad teeth didn't originate from WW1 and I stand corrected.

                          But it originated from somewhere and prevails to this day.

                          When I look at the footage of WW2 British Troops I don't see the level of dental issues that are so prevalent in the WW1 footage. In fact, I don't think I've ever looked at any WW2 footage and even noticed the teeth, whereas with this film it is so obvious as to be unmissable.


                          "COOMMAAAAAAANNNNDOOOO!!!!!"
                          - Mad Jack Churchill.

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                          • #15
                            Gordon Bennet! If you two wish to post about teeth and their state and who's head they are in, please open another thread.

                            I watched it. it started off up to the point of the soldiers experience in France as a normal run-of-the-mill, black and white footage running at various speeds showing how they volunteered, trained and got to France, This went on for about 30 minutes then suddenly it all changed to what can only be like someone grabbing your head and shoving it into any given day on the western front. When that happened, I felt myself well up. I couldn't control the tears or the ache I felt in my throat. It was without doubt the best and most tragic thing I have ever seen on TV. Those troops no longer seemed like comical black and white, fuzzy ghosts walking at 10 mph. they were as real looking as your son, and those pictures showed the painful youthfulness of some of those soldiers.

                            it was jaw dropping brilliant and remarkable. 1 hour 30 minutes of an 100 year old society brought to us with all the reality of what looked like yesterday.

                            Thanks Peter. You have done what no-one could do without a camera and a time machine.

                            And to the cast and narrators (solely voices of all who were there)
                            .
                            ‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
                            All human ills he can subdue,
                            Or with a bauble or medal
                            Can win mans heart for you;
                            And many a blessing know to stew
                            To make a megloamaniac bright;
                            Give honour to the dainty Corse,
                            The Pixie is a little shite.

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