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  • Matt Jones
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    I never got into DS9 personally, nor Enterprise. Only started watching Voyager the last couple years, especially after a certain ex-Borg became a member of the crew. My aunt was a huge Star Trek fan, and she watched TNG every time it came on. Tragically, she died of cancer at age 39 in 1994 (made all the more tragic by the fact they didn't find the cancer until she only had 10 days left), and I didn't start getting into Star Trek until 1997. I think my being a fan of Star Trek is my way of keeping her memory alive.

    -Matt

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  • Tsar
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    Originally posted by Salinator View Post
    Come to terms with their uselessness? I am sure you did not intend to insult all our combat veterans that used that same service.
    I never said nor implied that the act of seeing a shrink was proof of uselessness. Nor did I state that our troops are useless. If you believe they are then that is your problem not mine.

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  • Salinator
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    Originally posted by Martok View Post
    Spock was one of the very few true friends Kirk ever had, and had just died at this particular moment. Give Kirk some slack.
    No, Never. Young Sal went to watch Wrath of Khan to seek reprieve from all the wailing, crying, sobbing and throat-clearing involved with ET, a silly movie released at the same time.

    The Kirk we were accustomed to would have beaten any alien to a pulp with his famous two fist clenched fist chop and then bed some green alien chick. Khan was no alien but we knew Kirk would wipe the view screen with Khan's ass with or without the midget. But in the end we were subjected to the horrifying homo scene of a sobbing Kirk trying to touch Spock one more time through glass.

    I kid of course as always. BUT one just can't overlook any message of the time.

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  • Martok
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    Originally posted by Salinator View Post
    Come to terms with their uselessness? I am sure you did not intend to insult all our combat veterans that used that same service.
    I am sure this is hyperbole.

    Originally posted by Salinator View Post
    The addition of Deanna Troy is a reflection of a kinder and more gentle world.
    It was meant to reflect a time when humans had all but evolved past the need for emotions as a guide, or at least the need to overtly act upon them.

    Originally posted by Salinator View Post
    You overlook the time when the different series were produced. OS series were meant to have a female Captain, but the time was not right..........this has been since been righted with of all things.........VOYAGER!
    The Original Series was meant to have a female First Officer, namely Majel Barrett as Number One as seen in the original pilot. But you are correct in that the producers felt the time wasn't right for a woman to hold such a position of power. Thus Spock was advanced into that role.

    Originally posted by Salinator View Post
    Sisko would be the next incompetent after Janeway with all his hallucinations with the Prophets and his conflict of interest with anything involving Bejorians.............not to mention anything that looked like, sounded like, smelled like or in anyway reminded him of his dead wife.
    Sisko was meant to be conflicted in his role as Emissary of the Prophets. This was a story arc introduced in the premier episode and not fully resolved until the series finale. Personally I thought this brilliant. As for his dead wife this particular conflict was resolved during two episodes dealing with the Mirror Universe.

    Originally posted by Salinator View Post
    And Archer with his obsession with making all goody-goody with everyone just because he was the first blah blah.
    Archer was often an idiot. I am working on a review of an Enterprise episode which the events of, at least in my humble opinion, prove this beyond any reasonable doubt.

    Originally posted by Salinator View Post
    AND for the record, Kirk relied heavily on the advice of Spock AND McCoy. Don't forget Kirk sobbing away when Spock reminded him that the good of the many outweighed the good of the few and the good of one, and how many time did Doc more or less had to tell Kirk to suck it up?
    Spock was one of the very few true friends Kirk ever had, and had just died at this particular moment. Give Kirk some slack.

    Originally posted by Tsar View Post
    To be honest I could only stand to sit through 1 season of voyager and I stopped watching DS9 after the first episode since it had Picard show up in it.
    A moment most fans loved. And you missed the best Trek series ever.

    Originally posted by Captain General View Post
    Archer's Enterprise is my favorite series after TOS.

    Season 3 sucked though...
    The Xendi arc was meant to revitalize the show, and did to some degree. It did not however achieve what the writers and producers had originally envisioned it would.

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  • Martok
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    Originally posted by Tsar View Post
    But TNG had to have their own psychologist on board because they were so conflicted (or should I say they were so wimpy).
    Troi was the physical manifestation of Roddenberry's vision of conflict resolution without real conflict. She was there to intervene and prevent the senior staff from going at each other in any like manner as did Spock and McCoy, or on occasion Kirk and McCoy.

    Consider the Original Series first season episode The Corbomite Maneuver. Kirk and McCoy get into an argument about who is correct concerning the treatment of a bridge crewman while the countdown to destruction nears zero. Imagine Troi on the bridge at that moment, and what her input would have been.

    Originally posted by Captain General View Post
    Plus civilians and families on board a military vessel?
    This was again an extention of Roddenberry's vision for TNG, where Star Fleet had become a true instrument of exploration rather than a space faring military force. Denise Crosby (whom, by the way, I met in person just three weeks ago), once stated that TNG wasn't about conflict and wasn't meant to be. Which, in retrospect, was a notion which help lead her to decide to leave the show and almost killed it by the end of season two.

    Originally posted by Tsar View Post
    No one said she was. She was however a psychologist. There to help the crew come to terms with their uselessness.
    Regrettably this was often true, never more evident than when Troi had to deal with her own uselessness in the fourth season episode The Loss.

    Oh, the pain......

    Originally posted by Captain General View Post
    Then again, I think it's a stretch calling TNG Star Fleet a military force anyways...
    Wolf 359 would change all of that. Sure, slowly at first, but by the time of DS-9 Star Fleet had once again become a military force, out of sheer necessity.

    Originally posted by Tsar View Post
    It is also a reflection of a commanding officer that canít make a decision without getting advice from everyone in the crew and any visitors that happen to be aboard. Pickard was the singular most incompetent C.O. of all the series which is saying alot.
    Picard was originally invisioned as a "more polished" Captain, but yeah. I mean, when you have three Klingon battlecruisers bearing down on you and your first order is "hold your fire", something is seriously wrong. He could hardly make a decision without first holding a meeting with the senior staff.

    Janeway would make decisons, just far too often the wrong ones.

    "Captain, there is a Nebula ahead which if we pass through will cause serious damage to the crew."

    "Full impulse ahead, Ensign Kim."

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  • Captain General
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    Originally posted by Yankee View Post
    Me too I watched all of the shows . TNG, DS-9, Voyager. I even liked ( Dare I say It ) Captain Archers Enterprise NX-01 . Althought it did not last that long and it seemed his people used their best stories for the last saeson Maybe if they wrote those kind of stroies thru out the first three seasons . Thay may have lasted longer . Take us out of orbit mister Sulu . Warp two ( And Hurry )
    Archer's Enterprise is my favorite series after TOS.

    I'm almost done with the final season now.

    Season 3 sucked though...

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  • Yankee
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    Originally posted by Salinator View Post
    Too much talking and not enough fighting in OS! And when they do fight, it is really stupid! Gorn cannon? Giant crescent wrenches?

    But seriously, I am a fan of all the shows. Just like to give the OS hardliners a hard time just for laughs........
    Me too I watched all of the shows . TNG, DS-9, Voyager. I even liked ( Dare I say It ) Captain Archers Enterprise NX-01 . Althought it did not last that long and it seemed his people used their best stories for the last saeson Maybe if they wrote those kind of stroies thru out the first three seasons . Thay may have lasted longer . Take us out of orbit mister Sulu . Warp two ( And Hurry )

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  • The last bullet
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    Originally posted by Salinator View Post
    You dare to make fun of Wesley Crusher? You stand to face the wrath of Sheldon Cooper!
    Not me because Wesley Crusher can take on Dr. Sheldon Cooper and his meemaw(grandmother)...now back to Star Trek.

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  • Tsar
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    To be honest I could only stand to sit through 1 season of voyager and I stopped watching DS9 after the first episode since it had Piccard show up in it.
    As for Kirk getting the advice of your senior officers is bad if you can make a decision afterward.

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  • Salinator
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    Originally posted by Tsar View Post
    It is also a reflection of a commanding officer that canít make a decision without getting advice from everyone in the crew and any visitors that happen to be aboard. Pickard was the singular most incompetent C.O. of all the series which is saying alot.
    I disagree. Janeway was the most incompetent IMHO because she always chose the good of some strange life-form over the welfare of her crew.
    Sisko would be the next incompetent after Janeway with all his hallucinations with the Prophets and his conflict of interest with anything involving Bejorians.............not to mention anything that looked like, sounded like, smelled like or in anyway reminded him of his dead wife. And Archer with his obsession with making all goody-goody with everyone just because he was the first blah blah. AND for the record, Kirk relied heavily on the advice of Spock AND McCoy. Don't forget Kirk sobbing away when Spock reminded him that the good of the many outweighed the good of the few and the good of one, and how many time did Doc more or less had to tell Kirk to suck it up?
    Last edited by Salinator; 30 Sep 12, 16:44.

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  • Tsar
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    Originally posted by Salinator View Post
    The addition of Deanna Troy is a reflection of a kinder and more gentle world. You overlook the time when the different series were produced.
    It is also a reflection of a commanding officer that canít make a decision without getting advice from everyone in the crew and any visitors that happen to be aboard. Pickard was the singular most incompetent C.O. of all the series which is saying alot.

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  • Salinator
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    Originally posted by Tsar View Post
    True, however, they were merely being transported from one place to another. Unlike the wonder brat.
    You dare to make fun of Wesley Crusher? You stand to face the wrath of Sheldon Cooper!

    No one said she was. She was however a psychologist. There to help the crew come to terms with their uselessness.
    Come to terms with their uselessness? I am sure you did not intend to insult all our combat veterans that used that same service. You do realize that there are psychologists serving aboard US naval vessels? The addition of Deanna Troy is a reflection of a kinder and more gentle world. You overlook the time when the different series were produced. OS series were meant to have a female Captain, but the time was not right..........this has been since been righted with of all things.........VOYAGER!

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  • Captain General
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    Originally posted by Salinator View Post
    There were civilians on board in OS! Spock's parents. Ambassador Fox, Harry Mudd, Elaan of Troyus............

    Counselor Troy was not a civilian, she carried the rank of L. Commander. IIRC, she outranked the doctor.
    True, but they weren't permanently aboard the TOS Enterprise.

    TNG Enterprise had the families of the crew on board. Hell, they even had schools and a bar/night club.

    If it had been a civilian exploration I could see it but not on a military vessel.

    Then again, I think it's a stretch calling TNG Star Fleet a military force anyways...

    I hated TNG.

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  • Tsar
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    Originally posted by Salinator View Post
    There were civilians on board in OS! Spock's parents. Ambassador Fox, Harry Mudd, Elaan of Troyus............

    True, however, they were merely being transported from one place to another. Unlike the wonder brat.

    Originally posted by Salinator View Post
    Counselor Troy was not a civilian, she carried the rank of L. Commander. IIRC, she outranked the doctor.
    No one said she was. She was however a psychologist. There to help the crew come to terms with their uselessness.

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  • Salinator
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    Originally posted by Captain General View Post
    Plus civilians and families on board a military vessel?

    Ridiculous.
    There were civilians on board in OS! Spock's parents. Ambassador Fox, Harry Mudd, Elaan of Troyus............

    Counselor Troy was not a civilian, she carried the rank of L. Commander. IIRC, she outranked the doctor.

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