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  • Saw Mel Gibson's The Patriot

    Old movie but I'm not always up to date on latest releases.

    Anyway, very entertaining and emotional and I really enjoyed it but it shows British troops in America behaving like Nazi Einsatztruppen in Belorussia hunting villagers down and burning them alive and I doubt that was accurate.

    The Brits were probably not amused being portrayed like the Nazi SS but I guess the director wanted to make the movie more emotional so I guess in a way I understand his thinking.


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    "Tarleton's Quarter" is the inspiration for that mishmash.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by OpanaPointer View Post
      "Tarleton's Quarter" is the inspiration for that mishmash.
      That and many other story's mixed in. Still good entertainment.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by MonsterZero View Post
        Old movie but I'm not always up to date on latest releases.

        Anyway, very entertaining and emotional and I really enjoyed it but it shows British troops in America behaving like Nazi Einsatztruppen in Belorussia hunting villagers down and burning them alive and I doubt that was accurate.

        The Brits were probably not amused being portrayed like the Nazi SS but I guess the director wanted to make the movie more emotional so I guess in a way I understand his thinking.

        I wouldn't say it portrays British troops as SS. Certainly, Tarleton's men were rascals and did some bad things, but that's just one group and that's the focus of the movie.

        Not really historically accurate, but that's not the point. It was a good movie and Gibson did a very good job as usual.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Hida Akechi View Post
          I wouldn't say it portrays British troops as SS. Certainly, Tarleton's men were rascals and did some bad things, but that's just one group and that's the focus of the movie.

          Not really historically accurate, but that's not the point. It was a good movie and Gibson did a very good job as usual.
          So what was 'the point' ?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Hida Akechi View Post
            I wouldn't say it portrays British troops as SS. Certainly, Tarleton's men were rascals and did some bad things, but that's just one group and that's the focus of the movie.
            Funny how the feuds between loyalists and patriots or Washington's army burning out the Seneca's got overlooked, though.

            Originally posted by Hida Akechi View Post
            Not really historically accurate, but that's not the point. It was a good movie and Gibson did a very good job as usual.
            Even from an entertainment point of view it was lame. That final climax between Gibson and Tarlton just didn't end. With the operatic score in the background and Gibson's sad-dog look while his tomahowk is flying through the air in slow-mo, it was reduced to dime-store melodrama. In other words, it was crap.
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            • #7
              I've known a couple of bootnecks who weren't happy with there being a certain part; the French commander and ally of Mr Gibson's character, has a personal standard which bears, so I was told, the same motto as that of the RMC.
              It's hardly one of my favourites, but I didn't loathe it, as much as I thought I would (I haven't seen it in a while now, though)
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              • #8
                Mel Gibson has never let historical fact get in the way of a good story:- look at Braveheart.
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                • #9
                  Or Apocalypto for that matter. Unfortunately all too many people will believe the film version and not bother looking into the facts for themselves. How many people walked away from Braveheart thinking they had the true story?
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                  • #10
                    Meh, whatever. It WAS a good movie. Its not my favorite, but I enjoyed it.

                    Might pop it in the DVD and watch it again tonight.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Dibble201Bty View Post
                      So what was 'the point' ?

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                      It was a film of American patriotism, just as Braveheart was a film of Scottish patriotism... unfortunately both at the expense of British patriotism.

                      But joking aside that was the point, and entertainment obviously.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Wellington95 View Post
                        It was a film of American patriotism, just as Braveheart was a film of Scottish patriotism... unfortunately both at the expense of British patriotism.

                        But joking aside that was the point, and entertainment obviously.
                        Actually ,the point was to make a heap of money.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BELGRAVE View Post
                          Actually ,the point was to make a heap of money.
                          It certainly wasn't to advance the film maker's art
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Wellington95 View Post
                            It was a film of American patriotism, just as Braveheart was a film of Scottish patriotism... unfortunately both at the expense of British patriotism.

                            But joking aside that was the point, and entertainment obviously.
                            Unfortunately both at the expense of historical fact.
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                            • #15
                              I thought it as practice for the British actor to later assume the role of Malfoy in the Potter series.

                              He was also the scientist in Armageddon, if you like trivia.


                              I've always considered Gibson's films to aimed at entertainment rather than historical accuracy, and I have always liked his film protrayals.
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