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  • Ogukuo72
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    Originally posted by Legate View Post
    Well I just finished the book. I have to say it is a good read,but until you get to the current era,there is nothing groundbreaking. He did at the end of the book mention two interesting tidbits that got my attention.

    1: That the loss of the Vietnam War can be attributed to the US military buying into the "pentomic" military concept.

    2: That the US military today still is geared towards defeating the Republican Guard,and still has not begun transitioning towards combating Al-Queda.

    Thoughts?
    I agree with you. Those are the parts I don't think he got right. He's pretty good with the historical stuff, but the more the book comes closer to the modern era, the more I disagree with Boot's conclusion.

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  • GCoyote
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    Another way to put it.

    There is a difference between having a technology and understanding it and organizing your military to take maximum advantage of it. An example today would be a small country that buys a limited number of expensive jet fighters that don't match any realistic military threat it faces.

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  • Legate
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    Well I just finished the book. I have to say it is a good read,but until you get to the current era,there is nothing groundbreaking. He did at the end of the book mention two interesting tidbits that got my attention.

    1: That the loss of the Vietnam War can be attributed to the US military buying into the "pentomic" military concept.

    2: That the US military today still is geared towards defeating the Republican Guard,and still has not begun transitioning towards combating Al-Queda.

    Thoughts?

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  • Legate
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    Originally posted by lcm1 View Post
    Hullo Legate your last remark made me chuckle!! No I am not that clever I'm afraid, it's just that I spent the first half of my life ( apart from war service) living on the Channel coast where it would all have happened and the subject has always interested me!
    Don't get me wrong,I do read up on WWII. I have added Hewett's book to my list.

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  • lcm1
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    Originally posted by Legate View Post
    No ffence was taken,in fact your previous post was a valid question.

    You would be right about my interest in that period of history,I just love the Gunpowder Era.

    If you keep pushing that book,I'm gonna think you wrote it!
    Hullo Legate your last remark made me chuckle!! No I am not that clever I'm afraid, it's just that I spent the first half of my life ( apart from war service) living on the Channel coast where it would all have happened and the subject has always interested me!

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  • Legate
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    Originally posted by Ogukuo72 View Post
    I've reached the flat-top torpedoes version. It started off well, but as it got closer and closer to our times, the book is beginning to become too sweeping in its conclusions. And I disagree with a couple of its analyses.
    Which analyses would those be?

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  • Legate
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    Originally posted by lcm1 View Post
    O.K. legate no offence meant or taken! Get the feeling your main interest is around that period of History but if I am wrong and we are on the subject of Armada's their is a very interesting book out at present called 'Hitlers Armada' by Geoff Hewett on the subject of the proposed 'Sealion' invasion of England.It is well worth a read.
    No ffence was taken,in fact your previous post was a valid question.

    You would be right about my interest in that period of history,I just love the Gunpowder Era.

    If you keep pushing that book,I'm gonna think you wrote it!

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  • lcm1
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    Originally posted by Legate View Post
    No,that is not what I'm saying. The Spainards had these,but the Armada only had twenty Galleons. The majority of the fleet were either armed merchantmen or transport hulks,neither of which are conducive to an artillery battle.

    The main failure of the Spanish was that they approached naval warfare the same way they did land warfare. They were focused on boarding the English ships whereas the English with their superior manuevering and artillery were focused on standing off and blasting the Spanish. There were more Spanish soldiers than sailors in the Armada.

    I guess my previous post was confusing,soory about that.
    O.K. legate no offence meant or taken! Get the feeling your main interest is around that period of History but if I am wrong and we are on the subject of Armada's their is a very interesting book out at present called 'Hitlers Armada' by Geoff Hewett on the subject of the proposed 'Sealion' invasion of England.It is well worth a read.

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  • Ogukuo72
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    I've reached the flat-top torpedoes version. It started off well, but as it got closer and closer to our times, the book is beginning to become too sweeping in its conclusions. And I disagree with a couple of its analyses.

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  • Lance Williams
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    You made me more curious, so I started it last night. I'm just up to the Armada. I didn't know about Charles VIII and his use of artillery. So far an enjoyable read.

    Look what we've become...........it's like an Oprah bookclub.

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  • Legate
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    Originally posted by lcm1 View Post
    What are you saying, that the Spanish Armada did not have those things?
    No,that is not what I'm saying. The Spainards had these,but the Armada only had twenty Galleons. The majority of the fleet were either armed merchantmen or transport hulks,neither of which are conducive to an artillery battle.

    The main failure of the Spanish was that they approached naval warfare the same way they did land warfare. They were focused on boarding the English ships whereas the English with their superior manuevering and artillery were focused on standing off and blasting the Spanish. There were more Spanish soldiers than sailors in the Armada.

    I guess my previous post was confusing,soory about that.

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  • lcm1
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    Originally posted by Legate View Post
    Well,I am about 100 pages in(or close to it). It is very interesting reading. He has put forth the thesis taht there have been/are four military revolutions,The gunpowder revolution,The first industrial revolution,the second industrial revolution,and the information revolution-which is currently being played out.
    He has selected several battles as representive for each era. They break down thus:
    The Gunpowder Revolution-
    The Spanish Armada
    Breitenfeld and Lutzen 1632
    Assaye 1803
    The First Industrial Revolution-
    Koniggratz 1866-This where I am at now
    Omdurman 1898
    Tushima 1905
    The Scond I ndustrial Revolution-
    France 1940
    Pearl Harbor 1941
    Tokyo bombings 1945
    The Information Revolution-
    Desert Storm 1991
    Afghanistan 2001
    Iraq 2003-2005

    Boot's main thesis,thus far,is that technology combined with proper staff administration has paved the way for many nations rise to prominence. For instance,he states that the development of the truck gun carriage and side gun ports for sailing ships are the key reasons for the defeat of the Spanish Armada. He also noted that the English had something of an Admiralty for some time wheras the Spanish did not. An Admiralty is immportant in order to ensure that ships are properly armed and supplied.

    I don't want be a spoiler,so I won't get into many details unless you ask for them. This book is a great read thus far!
    What are you saying, that the Spanish Armada did not have those things?

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  • Ogukuo72
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    Yes, I'm reading it now. Not too bad at all.

    But so far, no startling new insights provided by Max Boot.

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  • Legate
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    Originally posted by Lance Williams View Post
    Any more updates?.............
    Well,I am about 100 pages in(or close to it). It is very interesting reading. He has put forth the thesis taht there have been/are four military revolutions,The gunpowder revolution,The first industrial revolution,the second industrial revolution,and the information revolution-which is currently being played out.
    He has selected several battles as representive for each era. They break down thus:
    The Gunpowder Revolution-
    The Spanish Armada
    Breitenfeld and Lutzen 1632
    Assaye 1803
    The First Industrial Revolution-
    Koniggratz 1866-This where I am at now
    Omdurman 1898
    Tushima 1905
    The Scond I ndustrial Revolution-
    France 1940
    Pearl Harbor 1941
    Tokyo bombings 1945
    The Information Revolution-
    Desert Storm 1991
    Afghanistan 2001
    Iraq 2003-2005

    Boot's main thesis,thus far,is that technology combined with proper staff administration has paved the way for many nations rise to prominence. For instance,he states that the development of the truck gun carriage and side gun ports for sailing ships are the key reasons for the defeat of the Spanish Armada. He also noted that the English had something of an Admiralty for some time wheras the Spanish did not. An Admiralty is immportant in order to ensure that ships are properly armed and supplied.

    I don't want be a spoiler,so I won't get into many details unless you ask for them. This book is a great read thus far!

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  • Lance Williams
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    Originally posted by Legate View Post
    I moved the book up the queue,I am about twenty pages in. Very interesting so far,seems I am going to have to study up on Charles VIII of France in the future.
    Any more updates?.............

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