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    So i'm a major machiavellian, i love the book the prince, and was just wanting to talk about some of the concepts.

    one of my favorite topics is on if it really is better to be loved or feared by your subjects.
    i agree with machiavelli, be feared if you have to choose between the two
    the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

    A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
    A man dies and leaves his name,
    A teacher dies and teaches death.
    Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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    I've never read The Prince , Although I will have to sometime.

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    • #3
      People who fear you won't support you or go the distance for you. Instead, you end up hanging from the rafters at a gas station with your body riddled with bullets.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Naffenea View Post
        People who fear you won't support you or go the distance for you. Instead, you end up hanging from the rafters at a gas station with your body riddled with bullets.
        I seem to remember Machiavelli saying that it was OK for the people to fear you but what you mustn't have them hating you. Once they hate you then they will be prepared to risk rebellion. If they merely fear you then they will be too scared too revolt.
        "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Surrey View Post
          I seem to remember Machiavelli saying that it was OK for the people to fear you but what you mustn't have them hating you. Once they hate you then they will be prepared to risk rebellion. If they merely fear you then they will be too scared too revolt.
          yes he did say that, so i take it you have read the book?
          the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

          A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
          A man dies and leaves his name,
          A teacher dies and teaches death.
          Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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          • #6
            ok as so no more confusion will occur

            Machiavelli had an authoritarian veiw not a totalitarian veiw.

            hate=/=fear and vice versa.

            you dont have to fear some one to hate them and you dont have hate some one to fear them.

            its very hard to explain how to do it, which means it would be even harder to do, but when i take over the world, im going to try (and yes i know its impossible to keep every one from hating you)
            the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

            A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
            A man dies and leaves his name,
            A teacher dies and teaches death.
            Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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            • #7
              My most vivid memory of The Prince is Machiavelli wanting to have Francesco Sforza's lovechild...
              Now listening too;
              - Russell Robertson, ruining whatever credibility my football team once had.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post
                So i'm a major machiavellian, i love the book the prince, and was just wanting to talk about some of the concepts.
                I agree. He has a bad reputation with some folks, but IMHO it's wholly undeserved. I have 2 copies of The Prince, both slightly worn. We could use much more thinking along his lines (what to do with occupied terrority, for one thing).
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post
                  yes he did say that, so i take it you have read the book?
                  Yes, but over ten years ago.

                  I remember him saying that executing someone's father would make them fear you but executing their father and taking their lands would make them hate you and, worse give them nothing to lose.
                  Last edited by Surrey; 14 Dec 07, 14:31.
                  "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Surrey View Post
                    Yes, but over ten years ago.

                    I remember him saying that executing someone's father would make them fear you but executing their father and taking their lands would make them hate you and, worse give them nothing to lose.
                    yes, he said a man will sooner forget his father's murder than having his land taken away, or his woman stolen (taking land away isnt relivent much any more, seeing land and status dont go hand-in-hand any more but hopefully everyone gets the idea)
                    the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

                    A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
                    A man dies and leaves his name,
                    A teacher dies and teaches death.
                    Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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