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  • Capt AFB
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    Picked up Harris' "Munich" as an audiobook for my road travels.

    Started reading Michael Korda's "Hero, the Life and Legend of Lawrence of Arabia"...A quite interesting read, very well researched and the author brings in the nuances from other authors that wrote bio's about TE Lawrence.

    Figured I wanted to read a bio of Lawrence of Arabia before reading his "Seven Pillars of Wisdom."

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  • R.N. Armstrong
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    Originally posted by Colonel Sennef View Post
    Although it stared me in the face I never realised this red thread. You are right this angle is a trend throughout Harris work, another notable example where it is even woven in the title is :'the Ghost', adapted into quite a good movie by Roman Polanski.
    Here Harris employs in a thriller the same technique by concentrating on a PM's (Tony Blair?) ghost writer, which allows Harris to survey the style and methods of the Blair regime leading the UK into the Iraq War.

    I saw Ghost Writer which I enjoyed, and now I am going to get the book, because a movie cannot pickup fully Harris's nuances in characters.

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  • Colonel Sennef
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    Originally posted by R.N. Armstrong View Post
    This nonfictional perfect angle describes the perfect perspective in his fictional works, such as the personal secretary as the storyteller in the Cicero Trilogy or the administrative cardinal in the Vatican involved in the Conclave.
    Although it stared me in the face I never realised this red thread. You are right this angle is a trend throughout Harris work, another notable example where it is even woven in the title is :'the Ghost', adapted into quite a good movie by Roman Polanski.
    Here Harris employs in a thriller the same technique by concentrating on a PM's (Tony Blair?) ghost writer, which allows Harris to survey the style and methods of the Blair regime leading the UK into the Iraq War.

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  • R.N. Armstrong
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    Originally posted by R.N. Armstrong View Post
    After Jeroen's introduction of Robert Harris and reading "The Officer and A Spy" and "Conclave", I am off and running with "Pompeii" and "Enigma" in the ready rack with "Imperium" on order. I like the author's depth of research, character development, storytelling, and command of the language. For these reasons, I will read Munich despite a disappointed ending for Jeroen.
    Finished "Imperium" and now into "Conspirata". Received today Harris's nonfiction, "Good and Faithful Servant: The Unauthorized Biography of Bernard Ingham" from 1990 while he still had a day job of writing a weekly column in the Sunday Times. Blurb on the back observes, "By concentrating on the PM's beloved press secretary, Harris has found the perfect angle from which to survey the style and methods of the Thatcher regime."

    This nonfictional perfect angle describes the perfect perspective in his fictional works, such as the personal secretary as the storyteller in the Cicero Trilogy or the administrative cardinal in the Vatican involved in the Conclave.

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  • Canuckster
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    Originally posted by MarkV View Post
    Main difference is AQOTWF is a novel and SOS is a memoir of Junger's experiences.
    You're right, it is a novel but even though it is such I consider it 'memoir-like'. Those type books might be considered fiction but they would be based upon the author's first hand experience. I'd still use them as a source for what life might have been like during those times.

    Two other WW1 "novels' that fit the catagory would be VM Yeates' "Winged Victory" and Elliot Springs "Warbirds: The Diary of an Unknown Aviator".

    In the 1930's some German veterans suggested that Remarque's front line experience was somewhat limited and the closer the book got to the firing trench the less accurate it became, although his descriptions of rear area life were spot on.
    Nazi propaganda to discredit him and the book because of its anti-war sentiment and his less than favourable portrayal of authority.

    from wiki...
    On 10 May 1933, the German government, on the initiative of the Nazi propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, banned and publicly burned Remarque's works. He finally left Germany to live at his villa in Switzerland. Remarque's German background as well as his Catholic faith were questioned by the Nazis, who continued to decry his writings, claiming anyone who would change the spelling of his name from the German "Remark" to the French "Remarque" could not be a true German. The Nazis further made the false claim that Remarque had not seen active service during World War I. In 1938, Remarque's German citizenship was revoked and then in 1939, after he and his ex-wife were remarried to prevent her repatriation to Germany, they left Porto Ronco, Switzerland for the United States. They became naturalized citizens of the United States in 1947.

    In 1943, the government arrested his youngest sister, Elfriede Scholz, who had stayed behind in Germany with her husband and two children. After a trial in the "Volksgerichtshof" (Hitler's extra-constitutional "People's Court"), she was found guilty of "undermining morale" for stating that she considered the war lost. Court President Roland Freisler declared, "Ihr Bruder ist uns leider entwischt—Sie aber werden uns nicht entwischen" ("Your brother is unfortunately beyond our reach—you, however, will not escape us"). Scholz was beheaded on 16 December 1943, and the cost of her prosecution, imprisonment and execution—495.80 Reichsmark—was billed to her sister Erna.


    I'm surprised to see that there has been some difficulty getting a copy. Mine was acquired some years ago with no problem. SOS has been around for some time I believe that Sassoon gave it a good review before WW2. AQOTWF got pushed more in Germany at least because Remarque was prepared to allow himself to be photoed with Hitler (and the book) which made useful publicity for both of them and Junger was not and would have nothing to do with Hitler which reportedly peed off Adolf somewhat
    Junger may not have joined with the Nazis but after reading the following from wiki I can see why they may have considered him an kindred spirit...

    He criticized the fragile and unstable democracy of the Weimar Republic, stating that he "hated democracy like the plague." More explicitly than in Storm of Steel, he portrayed war as a mystical experience that revealed the nature of existence. According to Jünger, the essence of the modern was found in total mobilisation for military effectiveness, which tested the capacity of the human senses. In 1932, he published The Worker (German title: Der Arbeiter), which called for the creation of an activist society run by warrior-worker-scholars. In the essay On Pain, written and published in 1934, Jünger rejects the liberal values of liberty, security, ease, and comfort, and seeks instead the measure of man in the capacity to withstand pain and sacrifice. Around this time his writing included the aphorism "What doesn't kill me makes me stronger; and what kills me makes me incredibly strong.

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  • MarkV
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    Originally posted by Canuckster View Post
    I made this a recent purchase as well.

    As part of my current inclination to start reading more memoirs instead of the operational level type stuff I am now about half way through 'All Quiet on the Western Front'. Seen at least two versions of the movie so the book is what I expected so far.

    I'm not really that familiar with SoS's storyline which may make it more interesting to read as well as compare it to the classic.

    The only problem is I also just got my hands on the WW1 Birdman classic 'Open Cockpit' by AG Lee. hmmmm decisions, decisions
    Main difference is AQOTWF is a novel and SOS is a memoir of Junger's experiences. In the 1930's some German veterans suggested that Remarque's front line experience was somewhat limited and the closer the book got to the firing trench the less accurate it became, although his descriptions of rear area life were spot on.

    I'm surprised to see that there has been some difficulty getting a copy. Mine was acquired some years ago with no problem. SOS has been around for some time I believe that Sassoon gave it a good review before WW2. AQOTWF got pushed more in Germany at least because Remarque was prepared to allow himself to be photoed with Hitler (and the book) which made useful publicity for both of them and Junger was not and would have nothing to do with Hitler which reportedly peed off Adolf somewhat
    Last edited by MarkV; 10 Jan 18, 04:51.

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  • Canuckster
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    Originally posted by R. Evans View Post
    Finally got a copy of this:

    I made this a recent purchase as well.

    As part of my current inclination to start reading more memoirs instead of the operational level type stuff I am now about half way through 'All Quiet on the Western Front'. Seen at least two versions of the movie so the book is what I expected so far.

    I'm not really that familiar with SoS's storyline which may make it more interesting to read as well as compare it to the classic.

    The only problem is I also just got my hands on the WW1 Birdman classic 'Open Cockpit' by AG Lee. hmmmm decisions, decisions

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  • MarkV
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    Originally posted by R. Evans View Post
    Finally got a copy of this:

    Some one seems to have nicked part of the jacket design from the Heroland Nov 1917 new York exposition posters

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  • OttoHarkaman
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    Adding two more books to my current reading...

    Stuart Prebble, "Secrets of the Conqueror: The Untold Story of Britain's Most Famous Submarine"


    Sink the Belgrano by Mike Rossiter

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  • OttoHarkaman
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    Peter Hennessy, James Jinks, "The Silent Deep: A History of the Royal Navy Submarine Service Since 1945"



    "The Ministry of Defence does not comment upon submarine operations" is the standard response of officialdom to enquiries about the most secretive and mysterious of Britain's armed forces, the Royal Navy Submarine Service. Written with unprecedented cooperation from the Service itself and privileged access to documents and personnel, The Silent Deep is the first authoritative history of the Submarine Service from the end of World War II to the present.

    Cold War Command: The Dramatic Story of a Nuclear Submariner by Dan Conley



    The part played in the Cold War by the Royal Navy's submarines still retains a great degree of mystery and, in the traditions of the 'Silent Service,' remains largely shrouded in secrecy. Cold War Command brings us as close as is possible to the realities of commanding nuclear hunter-killer submarines, routinely tasked to hunt out and covertly follow Soviet submarines in order to destroy them should there be any outbreak of hostilities.

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  • R. Evans
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    Finally got a copy of this:

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  • R.N. Armstrong
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    After Jeroen's introduction of Robert Harris and reading "The Officer and A Spy" and "Conclave", I am off and running with "Pompeii" and "Enigma" in the ready rack with "Imperium" on order. I like the author's depth of research, character development, storytelling, and command of the language. For these reasons, I will read Munich despite a disappointed ending for Jeroen.

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  • ktnbs
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    Pretty good...

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  • MarkV
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    Originally posted by Colonel Sennef View Post
    Finished the book and unfortunately I have to report it ended a bit disappointing.
    I guess you could say the same for the real Munich

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  • Colonel Sennef
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    Originally posted by Colonel Sennef View Post
    'Munich' by Robert Harris.

    IMO Harris is a grandmaster of the genre 'intelligent thrillers'
    I think I have (read) all of his books.

    Halfway 'Munich' now and though I am enjoying immensely, I find the book not as gripping yet as I remember his other works to be;
    but with good material like the Munich Conference, a turn can be just around the corner
    Finished the book and unfortunately I have to report it ended a bit disappointing.
    Still quite good but not the best he wrote, I think because he followed the historical Munich Conference too strictly with not enough freedom for his novel's protagonists.

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