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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by JBark View Post
    I don't see it as "what it takes." I'm hoping most of our guys don't see it as "having fun" and "loving" killing the enemy. War is a sh*tty deal but loving the killing just doesn't sit well with me.
    One must derive from one's work what joys one can in order to sustain oneself in one's vocation.

    Originally posted by llkinak View Post
    It seems they're trying to sell books and in that process they are courting a particular demographic...in this case those that haven't been or don't know any better. It reminds me a bit of the limited ammount of Marchenco's stuff I've seen, though I must admit I've not read much of him at all and have not seen any of Kyle's book.
    From what little of gleaned about this book on this thread, it seems that only the most sensational tidbits have been discussed, and I have to wonder if the author, or his editor, or his publisher, haven't deliberately chosen those items for final publication. After all, military sniping consists of countless hours of utter stillness spent just watching, scanning, glassing, observing. That kind of thing doesn't make for commercially successful literature.

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  • llkinak
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    Originally posted by JBark View Post
    My major objection is that Kyle on more than one occasion describes what he was doing in Iraq as fun. I find it pretty upsetting to read that anyone, SEAL or otherwise, would describe the job of killing in war to be fun. He should take pride in the fact that he is a good soldier, a well trained soldier, a patriot...but I terribly dislike the notion of killing as fun. I think he has some growing up to do.
    It seems they're trying to sell books and in that process they are courting a particular demographic...in this case those that haven't been or don't know any better. It reminds me a bit of the limited ammount of Marchenco's stuff I've seen, though I must admit I've not read much of him at all and have not seen any of Kyle's book.

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  • JBark
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    Originally posted by Naffenea View Post
    How can the thread evolve when you obviously keep insisting on something that isn't (SEAL's aren't soldiers, they're sailors) and making a claim for something and then not backing it up (he loved killing and now he's going to come home and try to duplicate that feeling)? The only attempt at evolution are your continued attempts at passive aggressive insults.
    I'll go one better-how might the thread have evolved if you didn't side track it with your moronic obsession with the proper use of the word "soldier" and your attempts to get me to argue a point I never made. When you finally get around to buying a dictionary look up the word responsibility and then try accepting it. A high school kid could intelligently discuss with me whether an experienced combat soldier might have difficulty after leaving the service but from you I get challenges to prove an argument I never made. Well done. The only decent attempt at a contribution to this subject you've made was mentioning a T.V. (what a surprise) show you saw on Kyle...but of course you shared nothing about that. Well done again.

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  • Naffenea
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    How can the thread evolve when you obviously keep insisting on something that isn't (SEAL's aren't soldiers, they're sailors) and making a claim for something and then not backing it up (he loved killing and now he's going to come home and try to duplicate that feeling)? The only attempt at evolution are your continued attempts at passive aggressive insults.

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  • JBark
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    Originally posted by Naffenea View Post
    Page 1 and Page 2 of this thread have all the proof you need if you could only read and understand English.

    I have been discussing this book. You keep trying to argue with the Oxford dictionary, not me. You keep trying to argue with someone that has "been there, done that", not me. Do you habitually argue with people that have first hand knowledge?

    He's still a Sailor, despite the many times you keep trying to say otherwise.


    If you haven't deduced that already on your own after reading your own military history collection, reading this site and other places, you will never know. We both already know you won't believe me.
    You are one of the typical children of the forums. You just want to start a fight. You misrepresent what I write and try to get me to argue a point I never tried to make (that Kyle would come home and kill people.) You pretend to make some silly arguement that you know how words should be used because you are a soldier. Pages one and two show mothing except you saying you know proper word usage, contrary to what the Oxford dictionary says, contrary to what Kyle says and contrary to what BBC says. If you served in the U.S. military I am hoping carrying a gun was not part of your normal duties. I'm guessing that with the intelligence you have shown here they let you clean garbage cans in the kitchen or fill the tires on the trucks. Why don't you go away and play your childish forums games somewhere else...but you won't because the game you play is to keep coming back and saying the same old garbage over and over again, never contributing to the thread.

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  • Naffenea
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    You keep saying it has been pointed out to me but I do not see where. You have offered NO proof of what you say other than to say you are a soldier therefore you know the use of the word. Dictionaries and the soldier I started this thread about disagree with you. Here's two suggestions; either present again the proof you say has been presented and please make sure it has the substance necessary to contradict Oxford dictionary or simply stop coming back and posting here about this. Then we can move on to discussing what this thread was intended to discuss...or are you content to simply keep coming back and distracting from discussion of Kyle's book?
    Page 1 and Page 2 of this thread have all the proof you need if you could only read and understand English.

    I have been discussing this book. You keep trying to argue with the Oxford dictionary, not me. You keep trying to argue with someone that has "been there, done that", not me. Do you habitually argue with people that have first hand knowledge?

    He's still a Sailor, despite the many times you keep trying to say otherwise.

    How would you know?
    If you haven't deduced that already on your own after reading your own military history collection, reading this site and other places, you will never know. We both already know you won't believe me.
    Last edited by Naffenea; 30 Jan 12, 23:05.

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  • JBark
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    Originally posted by Naffenea View Post
    That's fine. It takes a special person who can do it.
    How would you know?

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  • JBark
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    Originally posted by Naffenea View Post
    More personal attacks? Well, I guess it shouldn't come as a surprise. As for the allegation of slinking away, I'm sure you have heard of throwing pearls before swine (though I'm not calling you a swine). You have shown time and again an inability to comprehend what was put before you. So why bother.
    You keep saying it has been pointed out to me but I do not see where. You have offered NO proof of what you say other than to say you are a soldier therefore you know the use of the word. Dictionaries and the soldier I started this thread about disagree with you. Here's two suggestions; either present again the proof you say has been presented and please make sure it has the substance necessary to contradict Oxford dictionary or simply stop coming back and posting here about this. Then we can move on to discussing what this thread was intended to discuss...or are you content to simply keep coming back and distracting from discussion of Kyle's book?

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  • Naffenea
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    That's fine. It takes a special person who can do it.

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  • JBark
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    Originally posted by FTCS View Post
    First, could I suggest that you preview your posts prior to posting them. Obviously you missed adding or deleted the first part of the "Quote" function. The QUOTE was missing to enable the normal quote graphics. No big thing, just a very minor thing.
    I fixed it for you...I don't want you losing sleep over these very minor mistakes of mine.

    I don't often read first person memoirs and have not read anything current in a long time so I found it interesting to read his descriptions of the combat in Iraq and how things were going over there. CYA happens everywhere, right? Too bad when it effects guys in uniform in harm's way.

    Originally posted by FTCS View Post
    Back to your issue with the word "FUN"..... As far as I am concerned, if that is what it takes to remove a**holes ....so be it.
    I don't see it as "what it takes." I'm hoping most of our guys don't see it as "having fun" and "loving" killing the enemy. War is a sh*tty deal but loving the killing just doesn't sit well with me.
    Last edited by JBark; 29 Jan 12, 15:59.

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  • 101combatvet
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    Last night on NPR a gay sailor was referred to as a "soldier".... very far from it.

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  • FTCS
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    Originally posted by JBark View Post

    Did you enjoy the book? Did you find it insightful? The friend that loaned me the book was intrigued with how SEAL units were attached to marine and army units...they made a hell of a difference.
    First, could I suggest that you preview your posts prior to posting them. Obviously you missed adding or deleted the first part of the "Quote" function. The [QUOTE=xxx;xxxx] was missing to enable the normal quote graphics. No big thing, just a very minor thing.

    Yes, I enjoyed the book. Did I find it insightful? I already knew about the inter-service cooperation. Also I am quite familiar with the CYA policy of some senior officers within the military and almost 100% of politicians. The US military has been hamstrung by civilian interference in the military's function during countless operations. The most blatant abuse was during Viet Nam, I am not a bit surprised by the continuing policy in Iraq and presently in Afghanistan . Although probably not as bad as Viet Nam. When we send our men and women into a combat situation we should not hamstring them with "be nice" rules. Yes, there have been and will continue to be situations that have escalated into, how should I say....excessive actions.
    Back to your issue with the word "FUN"..... As far as I am concerned, if that is what it takes to remove a**holes ....so be it.

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  • JBark
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    Originally posted by FTCS View Post
    Have just finished reading the book. It appears that you have a problem with his comment about fun. To tell you the truth I did not see any reference to this, I am not disputing you; it is just that I obviously passed over it without paying any attention to it.
    Of course you may have missed something or not reacted as I did but there is also the possibility that my copy is different than yours. I read a paperback copy Barnes & Noble received prior to receiving their supply of the hard cover book. I flipped through the for sale copy later and saw it had pictures (my copy did not) so there may be other differences. All readers do react to things differently.

    Originally posted by FTCS View Post
    Obviously it did not register with me as it obviously did with you. Does this mean I "have some growing up to do"?
    I'm not sure why you would ask this. I have an opinion about what I read and about people, it does not have to be the same as yours. Right? As to whether you need to grow up it really does not matter to me if you do or not.

    Did you enjoy the book? Did you find it insightful? The friend that loaned me the book was intrigued with how SEAL units were attached to marine and army units...they made a hell of a difference.
    Last edited by JBark; 28 Jan 12, 21:02.

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  • Naffenea
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    More personal attacks? Well, I guess it shouldn't come as a surprise. As for the allegation of slinking away, I'm sure you have heard of throwing pearls before swine (though I'm not calling you a swine). You have shown time and again an inability to comprehend what was put before you. So why bother.

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  • JBark
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    Originally posted by Naffenea View Post
    I'd keep debating the point with you, but that's pointless. You have had the proof pointed out post after post, yet still refused to accept it.
    You're a joke. Typical of the forum flotsam that post with no substance behind what they say. Slink away, it is the only intelligent thing you have done so far.

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