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  • Originally posted by Tsar View Post
    I'm not sure the game would have done an economic collapse at that point. I think it has to be done within a certain very short time and it might not even happen if the USSR starts the war against Germany (I've never had that happen in the computer game so I'm not sure).
    My CwiE manual says

    "During the first five cycles of war, if the Russians lose 100 or more units of any type, then all on-map arms centers and all arms centers moved to Siberia cease producing arms points until the fifth cycle after invasion..."

    There is an option that means 100 is replaced by an unknown number between 85 and 115.

    So my reading of that is that summer 1942 is too late for any German counterattack to trigger "economic collapse" if the USSR starts the war in autumn/winter 1941. All the more reason why it was the correct decision for the Russian team to attack when we did.

    Obviously if the Turkey operation had worked, we would have been in a very difficult position, but that would have been the case even if we hadn't intervened...

    Originally posted by tsar
    I wasn't looking to start a 2 front war. I was looking to invade the Middle East without the restrictions on our logistics. After we won in Africa I was going to be more then happy to sit behind defensive lines and not bother you at all.
    I think our view at the time was that we were obviously a more important target than Egypt - oh well, just goes to show how people interpret things differently :-D

    However, even setting that aside we didn't really want to see German controlling the Med, and thus we wer eprobalby going to declare war anyway.

    Also, does the USSR DOWing Germany actually have any effect on PPs? I didn't think it did.
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    • Originally posted by Tsar View Post
      When the Allies collapsed? When the ell did that happen? Because I've read through both the Sheaf social groups and the threads and I don't see anywhere when they even looked to be on the verge of going down. If I had thought that they were really on the edge I would have pushed for more in Turkey even If we had lost Tunisia it would still have pinned them down in the Med. But again I never saw any indication that they were even hurting let alone on the edge of collapse.
      check the maps in Turkey right when you started to pull out. The allies were on there last legs at that point you had broken there main lines and were forcing them to withdraw in seperate directions I think. Although I do think you needed a couple more units really of break there backs faster.

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      • Originally posted by The Purist View Post
        Paras are quite expensive since they need both the unit and the transport. The Germans were also faced with the problem that in late 1942 they were racing to crank out as much infantry and infantry replacements as possible. The nine SS pz divisions were nice but they cost almost as much as three infantry divisions. Late 1942 also saw the demise of the LW in the Med as the US and British air forces began to overtake it in numbers.

        In hindsight, yes, a few extra parachute regiments might have helped but,...
        I was looking at early buiilding of the Para ie at the start of the war. Because as you point out at some point rebuilds and replacements are going to suck up most of what the Germans are doing.

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        • Originally posted by Tsar
          I'm not sure the game would have done an economic collapse at that point. I think it has to be done within a certain very short time and it might not even happen if the USSR starts the war against Germany (I've never had that happen in the computer game so I'm not sure).
          That may be true but I did note that the computer kept track of Red Army losses in the production screen but without the "shock" of total war the collapse did not happen. I'm not sure if *war* mean tota; war or limited but in the Finns case the rules state that they enter one week (turn) after war begins with Germany but they did not enter the "limited" war.

          The rule book is not clear so I'm not absolutely sure.
          Last edited by The Purist; 08 May 11, 17:50.
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