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  • Well, on one end, the Brits have to be running pretty much their whole friggin Middle Eastern Army in this endeavor. Even the historical operations of Battleaxe didn't involve a Brit Army so massive.
    Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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    • Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
      Well, on one end, the Brits have to be running pretty much their whole friggin Middle Eastern Army in this endeavor. Even the historical operations of Battleaxe didn't involve a Brit Army so massive.
      No, but then again Rommel only had two-and-a-half German and five Italian divisions at that time. The British were still concerned about invasion but your Germany is totally lacking in any amphibious capability (no barges in Channel ports). AMPHIBs were discussed back in early 1940 but were dropped in favour of a strictly UBOAT and SURF raider policy.

      Just from memory the Brits had 2 divs and 2 bdes in the desert, 1 div and 2 bdes in Tobruk, 3 divs forming/reforming in the Delta or Palestine, 1 div in Iraq crushing the revolt, 2 divs and 2 bdes in Lebanon-Syria convincing the Vichy French to go Free and 3 divs and a bde in Greece.

      That's 12 divs and 7 bdes,... pretty close over all.
      Last edited by The Purist; 27 Dec 09, 22:32.
      The Purist

      Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts on the unthinking - John Maynard Keynes.

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      • We need to drop the SURF part of that, and get at least one Ampib built. They are too aware of what we have for my comfort, we need to make them sweat a little bit.

        Italy can never build a single point of Amphib, ever?
        I need to review what they are building and give orders for what comes next.

        One more thing- if we attack Turkey, will the Bulgarians join in? With Units willing to move into Asia, I mean.
        Last edited by The Exorcist; 28 Dec 09, 00:16.

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        • I'd say a go on BB - and still maintain we should have been building Amphib from the get go

          That said I've been well out of the loop for some time now, so I've not got much ground for recriminations ^_^
          Captain Khryses, Silver Star Omnilift Wing

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          • Originally posted by Exorcist
            We need to drop the SURF part of that, and get at least one Ampib built. They are too aware of what we have for my comfort, we need to make them sweat a little bit.
            You could do that but the first amphibs (if they are started in 6/41 production) won't be ready until late winter 1942.

            Originally posted by Exorcist
            ...Italy can never build a single point of Amphib, ever?
            I need to review what they are building and give orders for what comes next.
            Like the allies, the Italians receive reinforcements, they don't have "production". Every five months up to the end of 1941 the Italians pick up a batch of reinforcements, mainly infantry and an air point or two. From 1942 onwards, they receive IRPs, MRPs and APs every five months. The designers found that the Italian economy (industrial output) was so small that there would be very little production 'month to month' so it was concentrated. The Italian army was about as big as it could get in 1939 but the industry could never hope to keep up with armament requirements (and it never did).

            Originally posted by Exorcist
            ...One more thing- if we attack Turkey, will the Bulgarians join in? With Units willing to move into Asia, I mean.
            I have never tried sending Bulgarians into Asia Minor but we can sure try. However, this will reduce the effort against the Partisans in Yugoslavia. Its a trade off.
            The Purist

            Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts on the unthinking - John Maynard Keynes.

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            • Originally posted by Khryses View Post
              I'd say a go on BB - and still maintain we should have been building Amphib from the get go
              Truth be told it is not necessarily a bad policy. It will pay dividends later on in 1941 and 1942 when the new boats begin to accrue and start delaying the allied reinforcements. The one drawback is the CW is given a greater degree of latitude with what to do with its army. Please note, there is still a sizeable garrison in England but it would not have as many high quality units of infantry and armour. Beside a suspected handful of full divisions most of the garrison is probably infantry and tank brigades along with the mass of divisional cadres that cannot be converted to full divisions for want of IRPs/MRPs.

              Towards the end of this year the German economic multiplier will begin to increase and the additional production will mean the ability to produce even more UBoats. 1942 could prove very intersting in the Atlantic.
              The Purist

              Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts on the unthinking - John Maynard Keynes.

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              • No Flak yet you can start that in January of '42.
                Yes upgrade the cav unit and keep it in the OW reserves for now.

                No to an Amphib. it's too late to mater and we shouldn't need it if BB works.
                Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedy. -- Ernest Benn

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                • Originally posted by tsar View Post
                  No Flak yet you can start that in January of '42.
                  Yes upgrade the cav unit and keep it in the OW reserves for now.

                  No to an Amphib. it's too late to mater and we shouldn't need it if BB works.
                  Right then,... onwards and upwards.

                  Is BF/BB a definite go then?

                  EDIT: Got the answer from the code room.
                  Last edited by The Purist; 28 Dec 09, 12:11.
                  The Purist

                  Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts on the unthinking - John Maynard Keynes.

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                  • Air Assault on Malta

                    The air bombardment of Malta has been going on for about two months thus far. With the port suppressed it means it cannot be used for supply so the fatigue of the garrison will increase a bit each week as well as the defence strength being cut by 1/2.

                    The last intelligence report placed four units in the hex. These are either 1x 7*10 div, 2 x 3-10 Motor bdes and 1 strength garrison unit or 2 x 7-10 divs, 1 x 3-10 motor bde and the garrison. The first combination gives Malta a defence of 14 points defending in -1 terrain (helps defence). Our air support on the attack turn will negate that -1. The second combination will net the defence 18 points.

                    The strongest attack that the axis airborne forces can make is two para reg'ts and two air landing divs. Strength 12. On the turn of attack the port cannot be bombed so the Malta defences will not be halved (the paras need to be able to receive supplies or they are also eliminated). They will be reduced by whatever level (a %) of fatigue has accrued on the garrison. If we assume 30% then the attack against Malta will be going in at about 1:1 odds.

                    At 1:1 odds there is a 1/3 chance (33%) of success but it will also cost us a full exchange (the loss of the first wave). On week two a portion of the remaining para forces (2 German and 2 Ital reg't) can assault the island again (it should be clear of troops). The other 67% of the odds means defeat and the loss of the assault wave. Greece and Malta should kick off at the same time.
                    The Purist

                    Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts on the unthinking - John Maynard Keynes.

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                    • Unfortunately it's worth the exchange if we can get it.
                      Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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                      • There will be a short delay in our spring program

                        III/5/41



                        Well,... It never fails.

                        A German colonel of the lead panzer division jumps down from his tank along the verge of the road and sinks past his ankles in mud.

                        A Luftwaffe major of the 22nd Air Landing Divisions spits to one side as he leans against a hanger bay door on an airbase in southern Sicily. The rain outside is coming down in sheets,... sometimes side ways.

                        An ambulance races across a waterlogged air strip near Tripoli in Libya to a crippled Italian bomber. The bomber formations attacking Malta were badly mauled by AA and reports have it the bombers failed to close the harbour in this weeks attacks.

                        The allies have entered the Vichy territory of Lebanon-Syria using axis interferenc with Iraqi affairs via Syria as an excuse. The force thought to have invaded consists of at least two divisions and a brigade. Tyre has fallen Beyrouth is an open city.

                        <<A screenie to help calm the growls of frustration. Note the date, weather and the bombing miss on Malta>>.



                        The attacks will commence as soon as the ground dries (hopefully in IV/5/41).
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                        The Purist

                        Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts on the unthinking - John Maynard Keynes.

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                        • It will be simultaneous then, and I guess it goes w/o saying that Africa is at a standstill as well.

                          Since the Italian fleet has a tight hold on the central Med, does that port being open give the UK forces much?
                          (nevermind, if ours get through their's must too. I just wish we could use mines or something to squeeze these guys a little)

                          Also, since there will be no Cape Matapan, can we get some SURF points close around that Island, close enough for shore Bombardment?
                          Last edited by The Exorcist; 28 Dec 09, 21:13.

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                          • Quick update to end 5/41

                            As noted, The invasion of Greec has begun and the frontier defences have been destroyed. The British sent three divisions to Athens but the Italian air force reduced two to cadre but missed the third (loosing an AP). The British will probably rebuild the divisions in Greece.

                            The air battles are draining the strength of both sides away. The number of ground support and port suppression missions is going to have to be cut back and with it the ground interdiction. Hopefully the RAF can be beaten back by the end of 6/41. It will be necessary to keep about 6-10 AP for ground support especially since BF - Phase II begins in II/6/41.

                            Here is the promised screenie of the Malta assault. The panel in the top right tells the tale. At least we now know for sure the actual garrison strength (two divisions and two brigades, 18 strength).

                            <<The Malta Defences Hold>>

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                            The Purist

                            Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts on the unthinking - John Maynard Keynes.

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                            • Just had a look at the ongoing misery in the desert.

                              I guess its time to come down in the local commander-
                              "Why do your forces remain scattered in the face of concentrated Allied forces?
                              Why does the enemy constantly manage to out-maneuver and encircle your forces?
                              Since the Allies are 2-3 times as powerful as yours now, it seems that you will have to leave Cyrenica completely and do your best to cover Tripoli. Withdraw to defensible positions and await further developments on more promising fronts.
                              And file more timely, concise reports if you think this is too harsh."
                              -Von K

                              WHOA..... okay, the Brits sent 3 Divisions to Greece... from where?
                              Canncelle the above message, if they came from the desert (where else, Im thinking) then we dont have to give up much ground. And when the next phase begins, they will have to draw even more away...
                              Last edited by The Exorcist; 28 Dec 09, 21:44.

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                              • The two German corps have been doing a good job screening the retreat across the desert but Italian 2-4 infantry divisions are definitely outclassed by CW 7-10 Motor and 8-8 Armour. Both Italian corps with the German infantry divisions attached made it back to El Agheila and are now part of the main line. It took some force marching but most of the infantry made it out alive. The Italians have reformed a small motor/mech corps out on the desert flank.

                                If permission were granted to 'corset lace' the Italians some more it would probably stiffen their defences some. Of course this also has its disadvantages that are well known. As the long as the British target Italian formations the Italians will slowly bleed to death in the desert.

                                Hopefully events elsewhere will strip away a few more British divisions (three have been sent to Greece thus far).
                                The Purist

                                Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts on the unthinking - John Maynard Keynes.

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