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  • SHAEF - The Allied Command's HQ

    All updates for the Allied Team will be posted here. This is also the place for general chat amongst the Allied players but beware of posting your top secret info. We will be using the honour system in the HQs and players should not 'visit' the other threads. However,...
    The Purist

    Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts on the unthinking - John Maynard Keynes.

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    The Allied Armies

    The games starts with two allied armies, neither of which is immediately capable of taking the fight to the Germans. Both are, on the other hand, perfectly capable of defending the western front in 1940 and it remains to be seen if the players can avoid the errors of their real time counterparts. The western Allies do use production but rather receive reinforcements each month. In the case of the CW and the USA those reinforcements can be effected by the U-Boat attacks (positively or negatively).

    Naval forces are limited to AMPHIB and TRNPT Points for moving units about. If the Germans try a Sealion or running supplies in the High Seas Area, the allies have a generic "Interdiction" ability that will quickly (?) erode German capabilities.

    The French Forces

    The French army hosts many types of divisions but four types will play any significant role in the defence of French. Attacking is possible but due to early weakness in doctrine the army uses the poorest combat results tables in 1940 and even attacks at 4:1 have only about a 50-50 chance of driving back the Germans. While poor on the attack the French army can use its mass to keep filling in the gaps in the line and wear out a German attack. The question is, can the Germans be stopped before they reach Paris.

    1-3 Cavalry div - A weak unit usually left in or behind the Maginot Line. Only three exist and hardly anyone notices their passing.

    1-6 Mechansied Cavalry div - a similar unit to the horse version and usually deployed in a similar manner. Its saving grace is its mobility, when paired with the three 2-6 counter parts these divs can make a worthwhile roadblock that will, very briefly, hold up an attack.

    2-6 Mechanised Cavalry div - usually found working with the infantry when times get tough or with the 1-6 when needed to form a quick blocking force. The army possess three of these divsisions.

    2-4 Mountain div - like all mountain divisions these units exist to operate in the French Alps,... and that where you'll find them.

    3-4 Infantry div - this is the main strength of the French army. Not as mobile as it German counterpart and only 50% as combat effective they still do pose a challenge to the German attack. The French must make use of rivers and broken terrain where possible. These divisions may fortify beginning the 10th week after the German attack in the west, which improves the defensive capabilities of a stack significantly

    3-10 Motor div - the motorised version of the 3-4. This division capable of moving to block gaps in the line. It cannot fortify but can have its defence doubled by stacking with a fortified division. France possesses seven of this nimble units.

    3-6 Mechanised div - these three divs are the DLMs. Like the motor and armoured div these divisions are normally held in reserve to block a gap in the front and are then withdrawn when the leg infantry can come up to take over.

    6-6 Amoured div - France raises four of these units and when grouped together they can challenge a German attack. If the single free roaming BEF divisions is added to a stack that contains some of these divisions the Germans may look to attack elsewhere.

    Air Points - The French air force is not strong and it will rely on the CW for assistance during the battle for France. These will be expended in the frontier battles and the remnants will probably be lost in a last ditch effort to hold Paris.

    The Commonwealth Forces

    At the beginning of the game there is very little in the way of CW ground or air forces except for a few cadres at home and overseas in Malta, Egypt and Palestine. Growth is slow and painful but thankfully a number of Australian, New Zealand and Indian divisions will arrive via Suez to lessen the burden on the main army struggling to grow at home. The full divisions are quite strong and grow stronger each year. CW infantry divs begin 1939 as 5-10 Motorised units and increase in strength each year until reaching 8-10 strength in 1942. Armoured divisions begin as 6-8 and eventually reach a strength of 9-8. Commonwealth divisions a re powerful but the army is somewhat fragile in strategic terms. A large number of early casualties can leave the army under strength in later years (quite historical, actually).

    The size and strength of any BEF sent to France is up to the allied command but the stronger the BEF the longer France is likely to hold. The question that will need to be answered is when to withdraw this force. A close watch must also be kept on German naval strength. The arrival of German AMPHIB points has serious implications that should not need explaining. In late 1941 and throughout the rest of the war a number of divisions will have to be withdrawn for service in the Far East but this happens automatically and the players simply need to ensure they are available.

    3-10 Motor bde - The CW army receives a number of these brigades and they can be used anywhere. A common use is as port garrison against airborne assault, flank screen in the desert or reinforcing a stack of divisions. In a crisis these can be disbanded and an Infantry Replacement Point (IRP) gained for rebuilding an infantry division.

    8-10 Motor Infantry div - These are strong divisions when they reach full potential in 1942. Even in 1940 they are 6-10 strength which makes them morecapable than the standard German divisions. This div can be disbanded for two IRP or converted to an armoured div by expending Mech Replacement points (MRP).

    9-10 Airborne div - these divs (two) are the CWs answer to German para units. Expensive to rebuilt, impossible to replace. Once on the ground it is a tough character. Usually found operating with its US counterparts.

    3-8 Armoured bde - Much the same usage as the motor inf bde except this bde is slightly more flexible due to its ability to move in the mech movement phase. Disbanding this unit will generate an MRP

    9-8 Armoured div - The work horse of the CW forces. These are available in some numbers and can stand their own against the German army from the earliest days of the war.

    Air Points - The CW air force is dismally weak in 1939 but it really "takes off" in 1940. The CW alone can challenge German AP production and the CW and French will normally slightly out produce the Germans. The problem for the CW is once the French air force is removed from the scen the balance can shift radically and almost immediately. Timing the withdrawal of the CW air force to protect it in case of an invasion is very important. If the Germans gain a large superiority in the air they can use it to reduce the ability of the Royal Navy to interdict the High Seas Area.

    The United States Forces

    The US enters the war in X/13/41 with a small force and throughout 1942 it remains relatively small but important. The army units are individually strong and by 1944 more than plentiful enough to pick and choose where to fight. The APs added to British and Russian strength will go a long way to tipping the air war balance in 1942. The year 1942 also sees the arrival of the first large scale allied Strategic Bomber and Escort points. while the numbers are small and effect slight these will slowly force the Germans to start committing resources (and production) to home defence. The arrival of ever increasing allied AMPHIB points will also force the Axis to start looking at a proper defence of the Atlantic coast.

    8-10 Motor div - a mass of US a CW infantry divisions are enough to make German infantry units very worried and minor axis infantry are simply terrified. In time the US army will also will also receive ample quantities of IRPs to keep these divisions up to strength provided the allied command is not wasteful in their usage.

    9-10 Airborne div - the same units as the CW version but the US receives a few more of them. Three allied airborne divisions make for a powerful strike force in support of any attack.

    9-8 Armoured div - Identical in capabilities to the CW version but, again, more of them are provided along with the MRPs to keep them in the field.

    11-8 Armoured div - These three divisions are the allies heavy units. Powerful in every way, only the German SS Panzer divisions are stronger.

    Air Points - when the US APs start arriving in numbers in 1943 the combined CW and US air forces are more than a match for the Luftwaffe. The allied armies will be able to count on air superiority, air support and will also have the ability to interdict the German rear areas to clog up traffic and slow movement of troops. It will be a visual representation of what is written in all those history books.
    The Purist

    Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts on the unthinking - John Maynard Keynes.

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    • #3
      Tally-ho boys! It'd be a pleasure to join ranks with all those who want to take Jerry down a peg. Is this where we declare our team allegiances and sign-up? Here's to King, Commonwealth and the Allies!

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      • #4
        General Ironside, I presume?


        Welcome,...

        Poland is under assault as we speak. The Poles will surely be hurt by the initial assault. Should they a) withdraw to strongest local positions or b) counterattack where possible and otherwise pin down/harass the Germans.



        France and Britain are mobilising. Do you want to risk an attack on the West wall early in the hopes of causing some damage or preserve the French army for the battle of France. More infantry and army are being mobilised by France in the next year, there are about 10 divisions in Africa defending the colonies and two more in the Levant.

        It will some time before a large army is possible but a BEF of 10-12 divisions plus some infantry and tank brigades will possible for deployment to France by spring. Australia, New Zealand and India will be providing a number of infantry divisions over the next year. Canada has promised a divisiosn or two within the next year as well. Beginning thinking about a deployment to France as well as the defence of Egypt and Malta (both have weak garrisons at the moment.

        Upon mobilisation Britain add 1 infantry division, another 26 cadres, 2 armour brigades, an MSU and an IRP (IRP can be used immediately to form another divisions. In Egypt are two more infantry cadres and one of armour (7th Arm'd Div). The means to build the army will be slow for the next year but it will come.



        Last edited by The Purist; 23 Nov 09, 08:00.
        The Purist

        Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts on the unthinking - John Maynard Keynes.

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        • #5
          Is there room open? I would like to sign up.
          "War is sorrowful, but there is one thing infinitely more horrible than the worst horrors of war, and that is the feeling that nothing is worth fighting for..."
          -- Harper's Weekly, December 31, 1864

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          • #6
            Demon L, Twitter 3,

            Please review the Polish situation and consider the French question.

            1) What will France wish to do on the allied turn. Continue its defensive policy or coinsider the possibility of attack if the odds are favourable. If the attack,... do you want a full blooded offensive into the Moselle triangle directed through the Saar and on to the Rhine or just a local spoiling attack to satisfy the Poles.

            2) The Poles - you will have to wait for the results of the German attack but the two real options are counter attack or move to best possible defensive positions. Counterattacks to aid the defense/recapture of Warsaw are a given.

            3) Britain will have 2 Inf Divs and 3 Arm'd Bdes by the end of the turn. should these be shipped to France as they become available or withheld in Britain for later use. Current intelligence notes the Germans have no real offensive capability in the west at this time but that is expected to change.

            Please advise by 0000 hrs Nov 24. (For Tutorial deadline)
            The Purist

            Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts on the unthinking - John Maynard Keynes.

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            • #7
              I'm going to post what Twitter and I agreed on here for general orders. If in the future I need to PM you, just let me know.

              1) The French. The French Army will NOT go on the offensive, but we do want a number of troops shifted to the Ardennes Forest region from the Maginot Line positions. Essentially evenly stretch out the French forces.

              2) Withdraw Polish troops in the Southwest and Western sectors to defensive positions around Warsaw. We would also like to launch a counter offensive in the north, hitting the East German troops on their west flank. I.e. advancing north towards Danzig, and then turning to hit the East German troops.

              3) The British: The British should send the 2 inf divs and 3 arm'd bdes to France. British troops will take up positions between the sea and the ardennes forest region covered by France.

              Australian, New Zealand troops should be sent to Egypt. Indian troops should be sent to Malta. We want Malta held. Canadian reinforcements should be sent to Britain unless we state otherwise in the future.

              We hope this is sufficient information. SHAEF over and out.

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              • #8
                Apparently there's a John Doe on the SHAEF side. Apparently he's our CO. I'd like to meet him, because Twitter and I have already gone to town with the planning and he should probably join in Paging John Doe.

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                • #9
                  The Maginot Line

                  Maginot Line Forts

                  MLFs have a defence strength of 10 from the front if unoccupied and 20 if occupied. They have a defence of 5 from the flank/rear if unoccupied and 10 if occupied. Occupied hexes add the strength of the units to the defence.

                  MLF and the units in them ignore retreat results.

                  Thus, for example, 4 x 3-4 Inf Divs in the Maginot Line opposite Saarbrucken would have a defence of 32.

                  If airborne troops are used against an MLF, it is treated as being attacked from the rear and if the paras survive and the the results are positive, they can force a retreat. That same hex would have a defence of 22.

                  Eban Emaul

                  The Belgian fort at Liege works just like an MLF except a para drop reduces the fort to zero strength.
                  The Purist

                  Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts on the unthinking - John Maynard Keynes.

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                  • #10
                    Airborne Operations

                    In order for CW and US Para divs (9-10 strength) to be used for air assaults they must be removed from the map and placed in a planning cycle on a particular front (west south or east) that last four weeks along with the Air Transport Points (ATPs) that will carry them. After the four week period the units may launch air assaults within a twelve hex range of the frontline.

                    If the assault is successful and the enemy forced from the hex the airborne units will take counter form and the map. They do not control the hex they are in, block supply or retreat until the end of the weekly turn so some care must be taken in selecting targets. If an airborne unit is out of supply at the end of the weekly turn that they make an assault they will be eliminated. ATPs are subject to attrition and may be lost during the assault.

                    Once on the ground the airborne units can be removed from the map again to start the planning cycle over again on following turns. A drop by four such divisions is a powerful attack force
                    The Purist

                    Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts on the unthinking - John Maynard Keynes.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by The Purist View Post
                      Airborne Operations

                      In order for CW and US Para divs (9-10 strength) to be used for air assaults they must be removed from the map and placed in a planning cycle on a particular front (west south or east) that last four weeks along with the Air Transport Points (ATPs) that will carry them. After the four week period the units may launch air assaults within a twelve hex range of the frontline.

                      If the assault is successful and the enemy forced from the hex the airborne units will take counter form and the map. They do not control the hex they are in, block supply or retreat until the end of the weekly turn so some care must be taken in selecting targets. If an airborne unit is out of supply at the end of the weekly turn that they make an assault they will be eliminated. ATPs are subject to attrition and may be lost during the assault.

                      Once on the ground the airborne units can be removed from the map again to start the planning cycle over again on following turns. A drop by four such divisions is a powerful attack force
                      Purist,

                      1) We currently have two division as I understand. Am I correct in believing that more CANNOT be created for the course of the game?
                      2) We would like to remove them from the map and begin a planning cycle on the West front.


                      Thanks,
                      DL
                      Last edited by Demon_Llama; 24 Nov 09, 19:08.

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                      • #12
                        Actually, the CW has two "infantry divisions", not Para divs. You won't see one of those before 1942, I believe.
                        The Purist

                        Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts on the unthinking - John Maynard Keynes.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by The Purist View Post
                          Actually, the CW has two "infantry divisions", not Para divs. You won't see one of those before 1942, I believe.
                          Well that simplifies things. Thanks.

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                          • #14
                            Sonofa*****! Our reinforcements are delayed! Poland has already fallen!

                            Purist,

                            Is there a Manhattan Project in this game

                            Cheers.

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                            • #15
                              How does the combat system work? A rulebook anywhere?
                              Wisdom is personal

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