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  • Cpt Leroy has his men dig in as well. He sends two men per platoon to rotate to find fallen logs and brush from grove off to his left and whatever large rocks to be found nearby. They make hasty prone fighting positions and camouflage it and themselves. Red caps are taken off and camouflaged straw hats donned for those that have them.
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    • OOC for a moment:

      Civil War regiments didn't have platoons. They had 10 companies of 100 men each theoretically, by the manual. In actuality, they typically had about 300 to 500 men in companies of about 30 to 50 men each. Each company had a captain and one or two lieutenants commanding it. There was no smaller organization. The term "platoon" would be unknown.

      A colonel led the regiment with a major for the executive officer and several more captains or lieutenants for staff functions.

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      • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
        OOC for a moment:

        Civil War regiments didn't have platoons. They had 10 companies of 100 men each theoretically, by the manual. In actuality, they typically had about 300 to 500 men in companies of about 30 to 50 men each. Each company had a captain and one or two lieutenants commanding it. There was no smaller organization. The term "platoon" would be unknown.

        A colonel led the regiment with a major for the executive officer and several more captains or lieutenants for staff functions.
        Thanks for clarity.

        In hindsight, my Civil War readings point in this direction as well.

        Tac, could we have a (very) understrength battalion maybe? With little 30-40 man companies under us?

        That gives us scope to maybe increase our strength over time if we do well, while making us a more plausible brigade over the duration of the war.
        Captain Khryses, Silver Star Omnilift Wing

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        • Originally posted by Khryses View Post
          Thanks for clarity.

          In hindsight, my Civil War readings point in this direction as well.

          Tac, could we have a (very) understrength battalion maybe? With little 30-40 man companies under us?

          That gives us scope to maybe increase our strength over time if we do well, while making us a more plausible brigade over the duration of the war.
          OOC:

          Maybe as the game goes on.

          And yes, I am well aware that platoons weren't a thing in 1861. Speaking from a GM standpoint, I'm not too crazy about having to deal with battalions running all over the field, with players detaching companies for various bits and pieces. While any and all players would deny it, and with all sincerity, I think we're well aware that it would turn into "Company A deploy as skirmishers on the right flank of the line. Company B deploy as skirmishers to the left flank of the line. Company C deploy as skirmishers forward of the line. Company D prepare a fallback position at XYZ." And so on.

          IF, and I do say IF, we go to 'battalions in name' for the players, then only one company would be able to be detached at any given time. I won't let 'mission creep' draw in to the point that I spend over an hour moving blocks on a map and then start doing resolution. That would make it miserable for me as GM, confusing for the players, and the inevitable miscommunication between players and GM would result in a snarl of PMs and posts about how something was missed.

          End OOC
          Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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          • OOC:

            Actually, none of us are everyday line infantry (we're Grenadiers after all). So we can have platoons if we want to, we simply can't get too frivolous with how detached they are. My company is in one location doing one thing and preparing to do another.

            Unsure if Bird has platoons; if not, read my last order to "one platoon prepare a fallback position" as Bird ordering a Lieutenant to take twenty men and make it so.

            End OOC.
            Captain Khryses, Silver Star Omnilift Wing

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            • In the line there was the ability to detach a bit. After all, what would lieutenants do in a company if not command smaller parties. They just weren't divided into platoons as a matter of course.

              Anyway.....23 hours till the next orders deadline. I'll be working night shift, but I'll try to get hammering on the update in time for Snowy among others to see it before they go offline for the weekend.
              Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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              • The Tarheel Legion will finish its breastworks and check for orders from the Colonel.

                Captain Pruitt, Tarheel Legion Cavalry
                Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

                Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

                by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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                • Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
                  The Tarheel Legion will finish its breastworks and check for orders from the Colonel.

                  Captain Pruitt, Tarheel Legion Cavalry
                  The Colonel ordered you to fall back to the cavalry reserve point.

                  3. Make sure our next Phase 3 (Counter Strike) is ready to be executed: take Pruitt's Tarheels out of the line and have them join my Blazing Saddlers in the trees SE of the ford.
                  Captain Khryses, Silver Star Omnilift Wing

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                  • We will call up the horses and proceed to that point. "Orderly! I want a column of fours for the march. I want the men to dismount there and check loads in their pistols. Remember if we charge Yankee Cavalry, we use the Enfields first and then draw pistols for close work! Forward!"

                    Keep in mind that the two band Enfields have a sling that fits over the shoulder so they can be dropped, but stay with the Trooper.

                    Captain Pruitt, Tarheel Legion Cavalry
                    Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

                    Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

                    by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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                    • OOC again: In order to preserve any of our unit's integrity, you have to keep your command within voice distance and in sight of the commanding officer(s). This means bunching your troops up. You scatter them like WW 2 infantry and you lose control of what they're doing and they have next to zero firepower.

                      Here's the "bible" for the ACW commander on using infantry.

                      http://www.cof14thcvi.com/Readings/Hardees_Tactics.pdf

                      The brief version is you march in column, fight in a rough line about 2 men deep. Bayonets are only fixed when you plan for hand to hand combat as they get in the way of reloading otherwise.
                      The width of the unit is the number of men divided by 2 x about 6 feet per man at most. So, a 100 man company covers about 100 yards of ground in the most open formation, and in close order of two ranks is about 150 feet or 30 yards.

                      You need massed infantry to generate firepower, even with single shot breech loaders.

                      Cavalry is reduced in strength by about a third when dismounted to account for horse handlers.

                      Officers and NCO's (usually selected by popular vote of the men, but occasionally by the officers) have to make themselves seen on the battlefield. The colors of the company, regiment, or whatever, have to be about center of the position to show the troops where the unit is at.

                      Many Confederate cavalry units preferred, particularly as the war progressed, to use shotguns and pistols when mounted. You fired the shotgun with "buck and ball" at close range on the enemy then drew pistols and unloaded rapid fire with these from short range.

                      The danger mounted is you are a massive target for return fire at under 100 yards where pistols and shotguns work. If the enemy infantry does have bayonets fixed and they are reasonably well trained or steady, charging their ranks is suicide without lance and sword as European cavalry of this period would do.

                      You can do caracole where the troops ride up, fire, then ride away to reload and return, but if the enemy knows what they're doing they'll shoot cavalry to pieces with rifled muskets and aimed fire.

                      Hasty works are great, but the frontage for infantry doesn't change behind them. You need the troops to be close together and fire in unison if possible as this generates the greatest moral advantage.

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                      • Correct on all counts. Back in my reenacting days I did quite a bit of training in Hardee's school of the soldier. I did a lot of demonstrations, vis a vis weapons drills and how to load in 9 times and fire. My mentor was the company captain, so I learned a lot of the school of the company as well.

                        Anywho, I was just making my concerns known as far as the issues with having a larger unit that can be subdivided.

                        GM DECISION:

                        We shall see how this works out for this battle. If things go well as far as GM side work is concerned, then players might expect some recruiting to occur commiserate with their success on the field. To a small degree I will be fine with allowing this throughout the game. But I want to say that this is a Rainbow game, not an army building one, so there won't be regimental size units on the field........small battalions at best.
                        Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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                        • OOC: Hint: This doesn't preclude us players, particularly the infantry and cavalry forming a single command, or one where the players subordinate themselves to operate as a larger unit, or at least I wouldn't think so.

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                          • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                            OOC: Hint: This doesn't preclude us players, particularly the infantry and cavalry forming a single command, or one where the players subordinate themselves to operate as a larger unit, or at least I wouldn't think so.
                            No it does not. And I would expect that Rainbow continue to be a Brigade into itself, and its missions will reflect its status as a Brigade operating within the Confederate Army.

                            I would also make special note that while your commands may and likely will expand, they won't be doing so into combined units. Battalions were all single-type units, so don't be planning your organic artillery just yet.
                            Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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                            • Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
                              (...)
                              Anyway.....23 hours till the next orders deadline.
                              Continue under current orders, obviously should the enemy attempt another crossing before our attempts at entrenching yield results, return to the earlier 3 rank line formation.

                              I'll be gone 'till Tuesday probably so if any redeployment should be necessary one of the superior officers just order my company around.

                              Tnx.
                              Lambert of Montaigu - Crusader.

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                              • Oh, another thing... Uniforms in this period can make a difference. If the enemy gets used to seeing a particular uniform, especially one that has some variation, it can influence their morale.

                                For example, in the War of 1812, the 49th British regiment, that had green facings, had fought a number of actions in the more Western theater around the Great Lakes and done so well they became known as "The Green Tigers" to American units and were feared for their ferocity.

                                Unit colors are the same way and can have the same affects on the troops.

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