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  • #61
    Chris provides a counterpoint. "While I agree that armaments will proportionately reduce the cargo loadout, the Caribou has quite a bit of excess power for the purpose we have. Some armament to help get us out of a jam might come out to be useful. Thirty two passengers is quite a bit under the maximum loadout, even with some basic armaments. I'm not asking for lots of heavy weapons, but some machine guns and rockets will be very useful.
    Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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    • #62
      Lori looks at him. "If you are insisting then it is suggested that the aircraft be mounted with machineguns only that can be operated to defend it while on the ground loading. Mounting one or more per side to fire at ground targets while landed could prove useful.
      An armament intended for ground attack is completely counter to the intended mission this aircraft will be fulfilling.

      As for the island Mister Damien, I would suggest that the equipment in the Isotta will be more than sufficent to prevent communications off it while we are there.

      I have also taken the initiative to work a flight path that avoids most of the enemy's electronic detection devices and minimizes our flight over populated areas. It will require us to fly through a number of canyons between mountians in the dark. I am unsure the Focke Wulf can manage this without me or another expert pilot flying it. It would be far more beneficial if I were in the Isotta with Dannon operating the electronics and providing cover for the operation.

      As for Miss Sushulana I will vouch for her with some reservations as being very useful to this operation. I suggest that Kasakabe and her talk things over after the meeting as well" Lori adds looking at Murotsu with a small nod indicating she should 'read' the situation.
      Murotsu noticed what Sushi did and knows, at least in general, what it means
      "Kasakabe, please keep that to discussion and Miss Sushulana I would ask you do likewise. Can that be agreed to?"

      Lori wants the two to discuss their psionics and what Murotsu needs to do or not do to avoid another situation like occured at Sinope.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
        Yeah, we need to get you past that.
        "Crappy" boat? I thought that one of those US stealth Frigates would raise an eyebrow, at least...
        "Now, that still leaves us looking for a way to refuel on the way out as we head to a spot I like near Taiwan. Dutch, what do you need to take control of a little airstrip in an island off the coast of South Korea for an hour or so? No, its not military, but there are some drug-dealers that use the place, from time to time."
        Calling that a frigat is a insult to corvets . I would assum it was anti piracy a sub is better for covert stuff.


        A highpowerd rifel some rockets or mortas and lots of MGs. Attack at night with force make them think it's the milltary or at least better armed rivals. Get them to retreat and I promis not to crater the runway. Some more detail on the place. Could we use the black lagoon's guns on the place.
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        • #64
          We could mount a twin 12.7 on each side of the carbou or grenade launchers. If you have a light enough autocanon they could work. It should be armed to attack but to defend it's self. Better to fit some EW sytms on it and extra armour on the vital points than big guns.
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          • #65
            Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
            I'm not asking for lots of heavy weapons, but some machine guns and rockets will be very useful.
            "We have rocket pods, and you did claim ownership of some 14.5mm MGs that were in the cargo bay of that aircraft. I have people that can install them in the fuselage or even set up a remote-control mount that drops out of that huge tail. If that is not sufficient for your purposes, I don't know what to tell you."

            Originally posted by andrewza View Post
            Calling that a frigat is a insult to corvets . I would assum it was anti piracy a sub is better for covert stuff.
            "Maybe they got caught flat-footed by a sudden development... or maybe the Americans are doing a half-arsed job of showing the flag, again.
            "Whatever the case, I think that Ranapoor, like all good things, may be coming to an end soon."

            Originally posted by andrewza View Post
            A highpowerd rifel some rockets or mortas and lots of MGs. Attack at night with force make them think it's the milltary or at least better armed rivals. Get them to retreat and I promis not to crater the runway. Some more detail on the place. Could we use the black lagoon's guns on the place.
            (are you not able to use Google Earth, or find that island?)
            "What we have there is a kilometer or so of packed sand, thats the runway, and half a dozen buildings that are all in one place and don't look like much. It looks like something that is within your abilities, Dutch."
            Vondonna takes over; "What we want you to do is tow a DuKW from the coast that will be carryiing our fuel. If more firepower is what you want," she looks at her pad, "We have a take-down RPG you can have, and a few rockets to go with it. Or, if Luchaan is agreeable, we have a 30mm automatic grenade launcher that would fit in your front pit just fine. It was set up with that in mind, to tell the truth."
            Last edited by The Exorcist; 04 Nov 13, 12:27.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post


              (are you not able to use Google Earth, or find that island?)
              "What we have there is a kilometer or so of packed sand, thats the runway, and half a dozen buildings that are all in one place and don't look like much. It looks like something that is within your abilities, Dutch."
              Vondonna takes over; "What we want you to do is tow a DuKW from the coast that will be carryiing our fuel. If more firepower is what you want," she looks at her pad, "We have a take-down RPG you can have, and a few rockets to go with it. Or, if Luchaan is agreeable, we have a 30mm automatic grenade launcher that would fit in your front pit just fine. It was set up with that in mind, to tell the truth."
              (Cell phone)

              "The rpg would do great, we all so have one pulse a mortar, firing it from the boat will not be accurate but it will make a show. That AGL would be perfect and any sniper rifles just one is needed, we have one of our own and we don't need to kill them all, just those that try to lead. Any case we do not have many shooters."
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              • #67
                Originally posted by andrewza View Post
                (Cell phone)

                "The rpg would do great, we all so have one pulse a mortar, firing it from the boat will not be accurate but it will make a show. That AGL would be perfect and any sniper rifles just one is needed, we have one of our own and we don't need to kill them all, just those that try to lead. Any case we do not have many shooters."
                "There are about 8 or 9 buildings there, total. It looks like a civilian hamlet, not even a village. Now, the only thing you might have trouble with is if there is a military watch-post there, or a listening station. Even that means only 2-3 men, REMFs. Like I said, the only chance you might find any trouble there is if Drug-dealers are using it at the same time we are. Maybe a little aggressive negotiations will be called for. But if Revy alone can't handle a little gang of Korean coke-heads..."

                Revy had been staring at Sushulana like... well, in a perfectly understandable way given what just happened. But she snaps her gaze to Damien and nods aggressively. "Sounds to me like we got the easy job. Just make sure you don't bring half the North's Air Force down with you, okay?"

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                • #68
                  "either way i am not taking any thing to chance, i want to be prepared for any thing. but we will try to keep this a silent operation. We will shoot only if we need to."
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
                    "We have rocket pods, and you did claim ownership of some 14.5mm MGs that were in the cargo bay of that aircraft. I have people that can install them in the fuselage or even set up a remote-control mount that drops out of that huge tail. If that is not sufficient for your purposes, I don't know what to tell you.
                    Chris mulls over it for a second. "14.5 might be a bit big for side mounting on my bird. Your engineers should be able to mount a pair to fire forward out of the nose, along with plenty of ammunition. 14.5 is enough to make a soft skin or helo veer off. And a pair of rocket pods for the wing mounts. No real need to install excessive forward armament. The other 14.5mm guns are yours to keep if I can get say 4 belt-fed MGs in 30 or 50 caliber. At least two of them need to be 30 cal, so they can be used as dismounted guns for the strike team. You might find a good use for some 14.5mm HMGs as a vehicle mounted weapon for dealing with small problems."

                    Chris chuckles at his own joke, and then outlines some things about the operation.

                    "I figure we have two ingress options via the Caribou. We can jump ten to fifteen off the back ramp to give us boots on the ground as the plane lands. Or we stay with the plane completely and the strike team disembarks as soon as the plane slows sufficiently. Properly piloted, that Caribou can land and take off on a postage stamp, so that's what we do. Land as close as we can to the pick up point. The first half of the team is the strike force. Heavily armed, fast moving, and hand picked. We'll need to have our fire teams worked out. The second half is the recovery team. They'll have defensive firepower, and carry any medical kit or litters we think might be necessary. We can ditch those if they're not, but the recovery team focuses on getting the primaries out while the strike team engages any security forces.

                    The flight crew, minus the pilot, functions as a security team over the plane. I want pilot, co-pilot, flight engineer, and two crew chiefs. The Crew Chiefs will serve as machine gunners to protect the plane, though ideally it will be a stealth operation in that respect."

                    Chris turns to Damien "A lot of this plan will rely on any operatives you have in the area, and some of the fancy toys I haven't seen proved yet. I wouldn't have done this mission back in my prime without three or four Alpha Detachments, some serious fire support, and the 160th getting us out. I'm not saying this idea can't work, I'm saying that on a good day this is going to be dicey. We're going to need near perfect intel, along with disabling a large chunk of their response ability. Getting in we can probably duck their radar, but getting out we'll be dodging their flak, SAMs, and air force for at least a few dozen miles after we get over the open sea. A lot of things to go wrong, and I think everyone needs to anticipate that."
                    Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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                    • #70
                      "Pardon my interrupting again" Lori says contritely. "I have tested the proposed flight plan and necessary logistics several times. There are several issues that need resolution.

                      I assume that it is wished the route be as covert as possible. This would mean not using any well established airports where customs and law enforcement might be present. Having armed aircraft would be a problem at these even if ammunition was not present.
                      The best route I can find is to fly first to Bugsuk Airfield on southern Palawan Island. It is a dirt airstrip and capable of taking the aircraft involved. We would need fuel for the aircraft as no services are available there.
                      From there we would fly out to sea and north to Itbayat Island Airfield to refuel a second time. This is a semi-abandoned airfield but capable of taking the aircraft going.
                      The third landing would be at Guleop-Ri on the beach. Again we would need fuel.
                      There is also a problem with the Focke Wulf going on its own. The maximum range with extra tanks according to the manuals I accessed is approxmately 900 nautical miles at most. The flight routes available leave little room for error in flight. It is very possible we would lose the aircraft in route.

                      A solution to this presented itself in my studying the Focke Wulf. We could modify the Caribou to carry it as a Mistel aircraft. It would be possible to operate the engine remotely removing the need for a pilot. This would provide two pilots for the Caribou making things safer.
                      According to the data on this system the pilot would be aboard the Focke Wulf for the flight into Guleop-Ri and release and land seperately there.
                      Additionally, this route allows the large attack aircraft to go with extra fuel aboard and not present a problem in terms of legal explainations. It would also help if we could arm the aircraft at Guleop-Ri rather than here.
                      For that purpose Lagoon could be hired to provide the transport for the weapons. It would mean leaving most of their heavier armament behind like torpedoes to do so.
                      The fuel situation is still a unresolved problem. I request assistance on it.
                      I also have worked out times for the flights so most of them take place at night. With available navigation systems and the presence of the Isotta flying these routes at night should not present a major problem."
                      Last edited by T. A. Gardner; 04 Nov 13, 21:19.

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                      • #71
                        ((this was a cross-post, an answer to Chris. I will have an answer to the rest tomorrow))

                        "Points well taken, and perfectly true. Its a shame my M114 won't fit in the cargo bay of your Caribou, it has a pretty bad-ass 20mm on it. Unproven, to you, care to hang around long enough to see what we can do? Belt-fed MGs are not a problem, and 4 of those big ones can be mounted like we talked about. But, your other points are well taken. We need to Gas a couple of places, but we also need a bigger diversion. Pyongyang needs to have a 'night of terror' of its own."

                        He nods at Dutch. "Ask him about some of our capabilities. Ask him what two children did to Ruanapoor during the so-called Night of Terror. I have half a dozen that are more dangerous than those little tykes were, and yet they respect me enough to obey me. I'd say that's about 60% of the reason why nobody messes with us here. And then we have Lori and Kasakabe, and their unique abilities...."

                        He stares at Sushi for a moment, and then back at Chris. "I don't suppose you can give me a run-down on her unique abilities? I need to know what you, she, and Kendra can really do in this situation."

                        And, he will have Vondonna pass around a hard-copy of what he has in the armory, so you can all see what is available.

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                        • #72
                          "Well hasel and gretal both got put down by hotel moscow they had littel thought to a grand plan. A few rerrorist with some explosions thrown in will make every one north of the 38 rush to pyonyang. Only problem is the extracstion. We send in to few the effect is not bigg enough, to many and you asking people to go on a one way trip. Has for fuel, ammo and wepaons. We could tow a barge and dropp of fuel at each point. It will slow us down but we got enough power"
                          you think you a real "bleep" solders you "bleep" plastic solders don't wory i will make you in to real "bleep" solders!! "bleep" plastic solders

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                          • #73
                            All of this is important.

                            Originally posted by andrewza View Post
                            "Well hasel and gretal both got put down by hotel moscow they had littel thought to a grand plan. A few rerrorist with some explosions thrown in will make every one north of the 38 rush to pyonyang. Only problem is the extracstion. We send in to few the effect is not bigg enough, to many and you asking people to go on a one way trip. Has for fuel, ammo and wepaons. We could tow a barge and dropp of fuel at each point. It will slow us down but we got enough power"
                            "I can have fuel waiting for us just about anywhere with a phone-call, the only problem I would have is keeping the price under 20$ a gallon, but since this is my party you don't need to worry about that. In South Korea the only contact I have is the one that solved the Fuel problem there. Dutch, you will escort a couple of Amphibious trucks to the island. You know what a DukW is, right? Okay then, you have 6 people and a quad 14.5 plus whatever else you can squeeze onto your boat. And, I was thinking of borrowing Rock, for our little jaunt to Iwakuni.... but Lori seems to have other ideas."

                            "Now ,as far as Pyongyang goes-"

                            "Enemy Capital? I'll take care of that myself." Sushi pipes up just when it seemed she was nodding off.

                            "Oh Bull-"

                            "Myself. Look, its not what I can do that makes you so leery of me, its a question of loyalty." She gets up and walks right up to the desk. "You rescue kids from bad ****, I'm on your side. See?" She kicks off her sandal and puts her right foot up on the desk. There is an old scar there; she was branded on the sole of her foot, and from the way that brand is twisted, the foot was smaller when that was done.

                            Damien smiles. "The more things change, the more they stay... similar. Okay then, Pyongyang is yours, but why alone?"

                            "Because I have a way out, but its not 100% reliable" She shrugs at Chris.

                            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                            "Pardon my interrupting again" Lori says contritely. "I have tested the proposed flight plan and necessary logistics several times. There are several issues that need resolution.

                            I assume that it is wished the route be as covert as possible. This would mean not using any well established airports where customs and law enforcement might be present. Having armed aircraft would be a problem at these even if ammunition was not present.
                            The best route I can find is to fly first to Bugsuk Airfield on southern Palawan Island. It is a dirt airstrip and capable of taking the aircraft involved. We would need fuel for the aircraft as no services are available there.
                            From there we would fly out to sea and north to Itbayat Island Airfield to refuel a second time. This is a semi-abandoned airfield but capable of taking the aircraft going.
                            The third landing would be at Guleop-Ri on the beach. Again we would need fuel.
                            "I like that idea, but in reverse. We use that to return here, save it for that. On the way north, we can go as perfectly legal collector's items, flying antiques. We use normal airports with forged papers and take our time getting to Iwakuni... you see, its not just a ballsy stunt I have in mind. It gets us there stress-free and rested."

                            Luchaan; "But they are right about arming up after Iwakuni. The only place for that is Korea, on that little island. If we go by night, then we won't even have one hour on the ground. That old crate is too slow."

                            Kendra; "That old crate got us here and it could pass at the airshow. So.... so screw it, why don't we go in during the day?"

                            "Huh?"

                            "If its so old and crappy, I bet Korea flying them too, or something like it."

                            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                            There is also a problem with the Focke Wulf going on its own. The maximum range with extra tanks according to the manuals I accessed is approxmately 900 nautical miles at most. The flight routes available leave little room for error in flight. It is very possible we would lose the aircraft in route.
                            If the trip back is that tight, lets not take it back. Lets divert it back to Japan and have Rock take care of that bit.
                            A solution to this presented itself in my studying the Focke Wulf. We could modify the Caribou to carry it as a Mistel aircraft. It would be possible to operate the engine remotely removing the need for a pilot. This would provide two pilots for the Caribou making things safer.
                            According to the data on this system the pilot would be aboard the Focke Wulf for the flight into Guleop-Ri and release and land seperately there.
                            Additionally, this route allows the large attack aircraft to go with extra fuel aboard and not present a problem in terms of legal explainations. It would also help if we could arm the aircraft at Guleop-Ri rather than here.
                            For that purpose Lagoon could be hired to provide the transport for the weapons. It would mean leaving most of their heavier armament behind like torpedoes to do so.
                            (Mistel? That sounds kinda nuts, what with all the bracing and all)

                            "Use the same place twice? I dunno. Asking the Black Lagoon to take over an island for an hour is one thing, but for a whole day?"

                            Vononna; "What about Pag-asa? That island in the Spratlys? We have connections there, if that helps with the trip back."

                            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                            I also have worked out times for the flights so most of them take place at night. With available navigation systems and the presence of the Isotta flying these routes at night should not present a major problem."
                            "Your flying sports car is too valuable to risk in anything but inserting the Scouts and crippling the Nork's radar and commo... after things go haywire in P-town. Agreed?"
                            Last edited by The Exorcist; 05 Nov 13, 13:38.

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                            • #74
                              Chris mulls: "Just two of the 14.5s. We'll need to have guns that can be hidden and put on when needed. And 4 of them is a bit much. If you can work out a way for us to move all the guns as legit cargo, we can build and test the mounts before we fly out and store the guns in the cargo bay as something else. The Strike team will also need to store their weapons, and I figure that'll mean at least 8-10 rifles, Sub-guns, and SAWs, not to mention magazines, grenades, comm gear, body armor, pistols, and other things that won't fly in Japan. Honestly, we either need a short layover someplace where we can mount two rocket pods and two HMGs, as well as pick up our gear, or a way to hide it so customs doesn't get wind. The MMGs aren't a problem, either way those can be mounted in flight. Only the heavier stuff needs a half-hour on the ground for sufficient groundcrew to do their thing."
                              Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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                              • #75
                                "Understood" Lori replies. "Mister Chris, the weapons problem can be solved simply by the Isotta carrying all the items you mentioned except the heavy machineguns. There is space in the cargo compartment for them.
                                It is suggested that I, along with Dannon and Kasakabe go to Guleop-Ri and meet the flight there. That way we can set up runway markers and assist with securing the island. It will also keep the Isotta out of public sight.
                                I would also suggest that any actions against Pyongyang be very carefully considered as the North Korean government is likely to react by mobilization of the military and a massive hunt for those causing the problem. A very serious attack could precipitate a war potentially. It will also alert their defense systems and make evading them much harder to do. It will likely also put the security forces at the target on alert with the rest of the country.
                                With that in mind this operation should wait until our forces are headed out of the country. That will distract from the original assault and will also help confuse any response the North Koreans make. Of course, Mister Damien, this is your mission so you have to make the final decision on this."

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